Baikal MP161-K; Need help with jams

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Hey guys, been reading these forums a while as a guest, first post. Lots of great info and a friendly, knowledgable following. I am having significant trouble finding info on the Baikal MP161-K 22 semi-auto. I have one, and I love it - when it works. :(
Unfortunately it is becoming more and more frequent for it to jam. Last fall when I bought it I put about 600 rounds or so without a single jam. The next 200 rounds or so, it would jam about 1 in 20 rounds, which is unacceptable. After that it got too cold out to be shooting much, and I dropped it off at our local gunsmith to completely strip and clean it (my first gun, I didn't know what I was doing yet), and also asked him to see why it might be jamming. He had it in the shop for four months and when I finally got it back it didn't seem to have been cleaned at all and he didn't know why it would jam. Won't Be Going Back To Him! :mad:
Anyways, I dug out my manual and stripped it myself, which was really easy by the way. Hard to get the recoil spring back in, but I digress... Cleaned it to near perfect. Then it worked great for about 200 or 250 rounds, and started jamming again.
When it jams, it really wedges the round in there good; between the front half of the magazine - in the lips - and the chamber. The tip of the bullet will enter the chamber at an angle, and instead of the rim of the bullet sliding up onto the bolt face, the bolt will force it down into the lips of the mag and nearly leverage the bullet out of the casing. :eek:
Anyways, I may just suck at google but I was wondering if any of you gentlemen would know where to start looking for the issue.

Additional info:
- Bought the gun used, no idea how many rounds have been through it. Doesn't show any obvious signs of excessive use though, and I got the impression they haven't been in Canada long. Absolutely no cosmetic damage either, I suspect the previous owner took very good care of it. "as new" condition when I bought it.
- I am using Lapua (SK Munition Germany) Standard Plus 22 LR ammo, which I have found to be very accurate but they have a lot of lube on them.

If anyone can give me a few pointers on troubleshooting this problem, that would be great. Also if anyone knows someone who has one of these guns, do they have any issues with theirs? I like the look, and the fit and feel and general handling of this gun is fantastic - I would really hate to get rid of it because of unreliability.
 
Oh, almost forgot, I bought a cooey model 64b and it doesnt always reload automatically, the bolt doesnt go far enough back to acquire the next round. I suspect either its just really really dirty or else the recoil spring/guide has some sort of issue. Just cleaned it and havent got out to shoot it since so heres hoping that it was just dirty. Any ideas to fix it if its not?
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redbonefish is right, it was actually considerably more - I think it was about 56 or 58 bucks per 500, compared with federal premium gold match target ammo for 35.99 at wholesale sports or 19.99 for the basic federal champion rimfire. Thats not to say of course that its not the ammo causing it, but I would say that the ammo I have is manufactured to very high standards as far as rimfire ammo goes. Every single batch gets 50 rounds test fired for quality control. As I understand it, SK from Germany is used by many competition shooters. I perhaps should buy a box of another brand and try that for a while...
 
slow progression to deterioration...sounds dirty.

Have you ever done a thorough cleaning on either?

Not "familiar" with the Baikal but, I adore my 64's. They have to be taken down and cleaned every 500-100rds. I'll rinse it with brake cleaner after and, use it "dry"...I only lube my 64's for storage/rust prevention...Also ammo...I use the cheap stuff and, the 64 will eat most round nosed ammo...avoid "dynapoints" (Winchester) and, "truncated" (Remington). My oldest .22 is a Cooey 64 and, has been a favourite for 20+ years...I've owned it 25 and, hated it for 4-5 years. Once I discovered "digestable" ammo and, running it dry, the love story began.

Wait for a Guru on your Baikal...I am hesitant to suggest anything that moves be run dry...it does work in the 64.
 
Perhaps I was too long winded in the OP... but I did state that that I "cleaned it to near perfect".

When I go to take down my Baikal, in order to get the bolt out there is just one locking pin that needs to be removed... unfortunately, its right below my scope. This means every time I clean it completely, it throws my zero off. Do you suppose that locking the bolt back and just hosing it down with brake cleaner would work ok? The recoil spring cap is plastic, you think that would be harmed? That stuff leaves no residue right? Any particular ingredient I should watch out for?

Taking my newly cleaned cooey out this afternoon, will let you know how it goes. As for the Baikal, I am still open to suggestions. Wish I had some snap caps to see it close up when it happens... But it seems to me that the lips of the mag might be too tight and I plan on bending them open a bit on one of my mags. Wish me luck.
 
I read the "near perfect"...sorry. For my other rifles, a thorough cleaning involves lubing them after. With .22's (ESP. the cheap stuff I use) the crud build up fast and, binds things...when lubed, the crud has better adhesion.

Again, find a "Baikal" guru to suggest a lube (or absence) as, I hate to suggest running any moving parts dry.

Very curious how you do with your 64!
 
Hey so here's an encouraging update - bought some cheap ammo its making a world of difference. As posted above, I took both my guns out this afternoon. The cooey had just had a very thorough scrubbing and felt a lot nicer when I was working the action. Got out there and shot two mags full... and it failed to load 30% of the time same as before.
:mad:

My baikal also was still jamming about one in 25-30 rounds. So, I figured before I posted here again I might as well get a few other ammos to try out and hopefully eliminate that as a cause. Picked up some federal value pack and also some winchester super X. Didn't feel like driving 20 mins out to my grandparents place just to fire a few mags full, so I drove to some random strangers place just outside of town, and they were willing to let me use the land behind their house (Actually, they said come down anytime, shoot as many gophers as you like). So now I have their cell number and whenever I want I can give them a call and its literally down the street from me, 90 seconds and I have a place to do all my shooting needs. :rockOn:

But I digress... Right, diff ammo. The federal, ran 40 rounds through my cooey and not a single issue. Bad**s. Ran 30 rounds of the super X and while it faithfully loaded a new round, there were 3 instances of not fully ejecting the spents... federal it is. Then I ran 40 of each through my baikal, and what do you know - only one fail and that was with the super X again, and not the same type of jam I had with my SK/Lapua ammo. Then again, I ran 30 rounds of the SK through after the fed/X and no issues, so I guess we will wait and see what the results are with that. Let you guys know prob next weekend.

But for now, results are encouraging. As accurate as it is (my groups were on average 30-40% smaller than with the CCI my friend brought out, fired through either my baikal or his browning short throw lever by either of us) it is not much good in a semi auto. My tentative conclusion is this:

SK/Lapua -> Please do not feed the auto's! :50cal:
 
Actually, by the sound and feel of shooting them, I would say the SK ammo (which isn't classified as match ammo by SK, but rather a trainer round for serious competitors) is packing less heat than the other ammo around. Also it is a wax coated bullet rather than copper washed. Very accurate but doesn't have enough blowback. I just saw that they recently came out with a new product made for rapid fire for the new olympic rapid fire pistols. Of course, they want almost 75$ for 500. The match grade stuff they sell is 17.80 for 100 rounds, and the Lapua X-Act is $248.76 for 500 rounds!!! Just 22LR ammo, 50 cents a shot?
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Sorry...you got my best "pre coffee" faace.

I was wrong no matter how you slice it but, I was thinking about how match "chambers" are touch smaller/tighter (beefier not best adjective). The ammo istelf should be a touch less "hot" than the champions. It's my understanding that match ammo is usually loaded for sub-sonic speeds to maintain best accuracy. Being sub sonic shouldn't stop the 'ol 64 though. Mine will cycle "slower" ammo except for CB's.

Glad you're up and running and, sorry about the idiocy on display this morning (beefier...)
 
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