Baiting Animals

I'd rather be forced to track the animal down, like they had to do for hundreds of years! Makes it that much more sweeter! :D

baiting animals is nothing new and has likely been done for thousands of years. way back in the day it was likely easy for cavemen (who else?:D) to figure out that if they placed food in an area wildlife would start visiting that area. they relied on wild game so they likely used the easiest methods possible to ensure they had enough meat to survive.


im not really into baiting either, but there are times when you really dont have a choice but to bait to even get a shot at an animal. some areas where people hunt bear are so thick that stalking would be nearly impossible and clearings are few and far between. using bait to draw animals into a clearing is the only way to do it.

another example would be targeting an old buck that has went nocturnal from too much hunting pressure. you bait an area to try and get as many does and younger bucks in the area to try and get the big buck to show himself during the day (likely the rut) for a chance at him. calling and scents dont work all the time and nothing beats the real thing.

there are a few hunting practices that i do not agree with, but as long as its legal then give er ;)


PS...spot and stalk (i mainly bow hunt deer) is what floats my boat. sitting in a tree stand is too boring :cool:
 
As long as it is legal and you choose that route to try and take your game thats all that should matter to you. We have been hunting this way for years and as time goes on we may have to made changes to our ways of hunting to ensure that we can keep hunting. If too many bear are killed then maybe baiting will be stopped for all game.
I hunt over bait and if my area which is tag alder bush would allow me to stalk bears I would.
I may not understand why hunters would stalk big game for miles than after the kill use machines or even horses to remove the large animal because we should all carry out the quarters to truly enjoy the hunt and appreciate our achievements of success.
 
Some hunters must feel terrible about killing things, but have rationalized a tiny set of circumstances where it is OK. By "coincidence" the set of circumstances is exactly the way they hunt, which may be exactly the way their grandfather hunted. Everyone else is one step away from being a poacher.:rolleyes:

If you don't want to do something, don't do it. If you just don't understand the reason for doing something, try it before proclaiming your moral superiority. No matter what your "morally superior" technique is, you will find another area where it is impractical, impossible, illegal, or frowned upon.

Another atta boy :)
There's members on this forum that have a simple straight forward line of thinkin "my way or it's unethical" :rolleyes:
 
People bait hunt because they can, and it works. If you were a subsistence hunter, you'd try it and the only thing that would determine whether you kept using the method would be the success rate relative to cost in time and effort.

Since we are "sport" hunters who live in an economy that enables us to get enough food by other means, we regulate methods of hunting to what we mostly agree is "sporting."

Hunting over bait is part of a normal progression of methods for getting meat, from spotting and stalking prey to ambushing them to driving them to a killing place to keeping them captive and slaughtering them at your convenience. Ambushing requires that you know where they go (e.g. naturally occurring food sources, which is in effect bait that installed itself) and the routes they use to get there.
 
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Gatehouse asked if I knew the time that it became illegal in BC to bait bears. I don't know the exact year, but guessing about early 1980s. Prior to about that time virtually no one hunted black bears. Black bears were considered preditory varmits and there was no closed season on them. If you saw one while you were in the bush, it was common to shoot it. I even went out once between Christmas and New Years with a homesteader, who wanted a bear for the fat. This was customary for him to do every year, but on that trip we couldn't find a den. If we had, he would have put burning birch bark down the den, until a sleepy bear came out. He carried the birch bark and I carried my rifle.
The only people I ever knew who baited black bears to shoot, were the bow and arrow shooters. This was a relatively little known sport at that time, so we had to prove ourselves! In the mid 1950s a small group of us with our, usually, semi recurve bows, killed eleven bears one summer. We always baited, or else we would have been lucky to have gotten even one.
Like so many of our game regulations, it had nothing to do with game management that caused the no bait rule. It was the green piece type, anti hunter protesters that constantly raised hell. We heard lots of it even in the 50s from our baiting for archery shooting, but at that time the protestors were ignored. Their constant theme was that baiting bears to coax them in, then shooting them was cowardly, and only carried out by blood thirsty morons. When the politicians figured out there were more protestors to vote, than there were blood thirsty morons, we got the no bait rule.
It is really a very ambiguous rule and next to impossible to fully enforce. The way the rule reads, you could be walking through the bush, spot a bear and shoot it. When you get to the bear you find it was eating at the remains left of a hunters moose kill. You just committed an offence, you shot a bear at bait!
As Gatehouse mentioned, this no baiting rule hasn't put much of a hardship on the grizzly guides. In the fall they will always find some way to circumvent it, while it just happens that a grizzly was accidentally eating some meat! For spring grizzly hunting the outfitters will find some way to attract them. Trappers leave beaver carcasses in piles along a river bank. Guides are often trappers, or else good friends with the trapper in their area! Any one guiding by a fair size river will find many moose floating by. A lot of moose fall through the ice in the winter time, then float down the river in high water, until they get caught up on a sand bar or log jam.
One time, while it was still legal to bait, I was visiting with two trappers, both well known grizzly guides. They were expecting their first hunters in a few days. I asked them right out, did they find a washed up moose, or were they going to have to shoot one? No, one told me, we found a couple of washed up moose in good areas.
 
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I was wrong. My post was just regurgitated bull####.

I am curious as to where exactly you have obtained your information that BAITING deer is ILLEGAL in Nova Scotia. I have never heard of it, read it or been informed by DNR enforcement to date. This information is not contained within the hunting regulations. As far as I have read the only guidelines pertain to bear hunting.


This is what I just received, in response to my questions, from the Province of Nova Scotia:
Q- It is my understanding that the baiting of whitetail deer is prohibited in Nova Scotia, but I can't find it anywhere in the summary of regulations, and I've been accused of being incorrect. Is the baiting of deer legal in Nova Scotia? If the baiting of deer is illegal, what is the regulation that prohibits this?

A- "...there is nothing in the regulations regarding baiting deer..."

Q- Is it legal, in Nova Scotia, to feed wild deer?
Is there anything in the Wildlife Act or Regulations that speaks to the feeding of wild whitetail deer or other wildlife?


A- "You can feed wild deer, however it is encouraged that you do not feed wild animals as it encourages them to look for food from human sources rather than their normal sources of food."

I believed that the baiting of deer was illegal because I'd been told expressly that by a Nova Scotia DNR Conservation Officer. At the time, I'd responded by asking him why it wasn't in the handbook, and his answer was that it was covered in the same regulations that forbade the feeding of wild deer. This sounded plausible to me, so - stupidly - I just accepted it. I say "stupidly" because I should know better than to blindly accept the uttering of legal opinion. Shame on me.

In Nova Scotia, the baiting and feeding of deer is legal.
 
Where I live in Ontario, spot and stalk of bears would be next to impossible. I have spotted exactly zero bears while hunting other game.

Even seeing bears from the road is a rare occurence. I can think of 2 sightings in the past 10 years.

And then actually shooting a bear from a bait site isnt actually easy. Its time consuming and patience testing.
 
And now the bears are tearing the apple trees apart again :(
I guess you could call it baiting, I call it protecting your property.
I did see a bear sleeping in a field yesterday but it was from 2,500'
 
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