Barnes 7mm 195gr Originals

[rem338win]

So I happen to have just come into possession of a very nice Remington 700 BDL in 7mm Rem Mag (A***** action! thanks Bushido), and I found a stash of 7mm 195gr Barnes Originals.
Now given the fact that they have been discontinued for a bit, I cannot find any loading data, nor can I remember the old load we used.
You see I have a moose draw this year, and that bullet has slough donkey written all over it (it will make me think of back when the 7mm was released in this round and old Frank was still making these bullets for exactly this purpose!).

So.........HALP!

Oh, and does anyone want some pics of these grand bullets?

Left to right: 139gr Interlock, 140g TTSX, 154gr Interbond, 175gr Interlock and the 195gr Barnes Original.

 

[1899]

I just moved and can't find my old Barnes No.1; I'll keep looking for it.

 

[ben hunchak]

I've always thought that the 195 gr. Barnes would be the top bullet for the 7mm, although I've never used them, and couldn't find them in earlier times.

 

[burnt_servo]

this is from barnes #2 reloading manual ( 1997 )

7mm remington mag
195 grain original
sd .345 b.c. .570


h4831 57.0 min ( 2472 fps ) 62.0 max ( 2689 fps )

h1000 60 min ( 2418 fps ) 65 max ( 2620 fps )

h870 70 min ( 2518 fps ) 75 max ( 2698 fps )

imr 4831 54 min 2419 fps ) 59 max (2643 fps )

imr 7828 56 min ( 2379 fps ) 61 max ( 2591 fps )

wim mar 57 min ( 2467 fps ) 62 max ( 2683 fps )

aa3100 53 min ( 2302fps ) 58 max ( 2519 fps )

aa8700 70 min ( 2529 fps ) 75 max ( 2710 fps )

rl22 53 min ( 2451 fps ) 58 max ( 2682 fps )


also , if this helps you at all ,
according the the 7mm rem mag page in the barnes manual , the 195 grain bullet when sighted at 2.06 inches high at 100 yards is -8.43 inches at 300 yards and -24.11 inches at 400 yards .

my own personel experience with these bullets in my stw is .... the 160 grain x bullet is a much better bullet , this is possibly why they discontinued the 195 grain bullet .

 

[H4831]

I have a few of the original that Fred Barnes made when he restarted his operations after WW2. Mine are 30 calibre, 200 grain, (the 150 grain are long gone) and they came from him in 1948. They look exactly the same as yours.
The jackets are made from ordinary copper pipe, the same as you buy in a hardware store, with the lead core bonded to the jacket.
I think they are a tremendous bullet, probaly very little different than the pure copper ones made now. I have shot moose and deer with them and they just mushroom some and stay together, in a 30-06.

 

[rem338win]

Thanks for the help fellas!
My father and I loaded about 200 of these up for a treaty entitled trapper friend awhile back. I vaguely remember using 7828.
The friend wanted them because 20 years earlier he was guiding an American client that killed his moose faster than he had ever seen before with a 7mm Remington.
Our friends rifle was a No.1 with an Alexander Henry forearm. Very nice.
It shot this load into 2" and this friend said "Best shooting rifle he ever had!"
He has killed a moose every year I know of with them and that was 11 years ago now.
I kinda like the looks of them.

 

[dan belisle]

I used a bunch of these in my 7 STW until I couldn't buy them anymore. I found they worked about the same as the 200 gr bullet in the 300 Wby on game. I liked them, too bad they were dropped. - dan