Barrel Break-in Process

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I am new to the forum and shooting. Researched several rifles and just purchased a Remington 700 P

I want to start the barrel break-in procedure and have received 2 processes from two shooters. One advocates using Sweet's 7.62 followed by G 69 gun treatment after every round for the first 10 rounds (no brushes just cleaning patches). Second individual suggested Hoppe's No 9 Solvent (copper brush then cleaning patches) followed by Hoppe's Elite Copper Terminator (with brush and cleaning patches) followed by Hoppe's Elite Gun Oil for the first 10 rounds.

Is there a correct method so that I don't screw up the barrel?

greg
 
Barrel break-in

When I purchased my 700 P three years ago I too had these questions.

I was told to shoot and clean with brush and patches every round for the first twenty, then every third for the next twenty. I used hoppe's number 9 solvent and hoppe's gun oil. I used a bore guide and dewey rod to ensure I wasn't damaging my barrel crown and protect the lands and grooves.

There was nothing wrong with this procedure, but what I will tell you, is it was painfully slow and I will honestly say that I cannot prove it did anything at all, good or bad. My LTR in .308 is a .3 MOA gun (got paper to prove it) and I couldn't be happier with it for being a factory barrel but I will never again "break-in" a barrel. Use this forum's search tool and you will find an abundance of threads just like yours that will explain this further.

Happy shooting.
 
Barrel break-in is a myth. Some barrel makers were recommending it because it wore out the barrels faster and it got the BR guys to switch out their barrels earlier. Gale McMillan posted on this subject a while time ago on The Firing Line. I personally think it is popular because the idea was similar to lapping a barrel but it you see how they lap a barrel, you don't want to do that to a crowned and chambered barrel because you will ruin the rifling. However it is your barrel, I have heard of the first shooter's technique but not the second, if you are going to break in the barrel don't go to crazy with the brush (patch more then brush) and be sure to use a bore guide.
 
The Krieger website shows a similar technique for their custom barrels. And yes, what folks say about bore guides, use em religiously, i have also switched to nylon brushes for the few times i use a brush. Another thing that I do, not sure if others do, push the patch through once , remove, pull rod back, new patch again, the theory behind this is that you do not bring debris back into the barrel.

Not sure if this helps but it is what I do.
 
While it is not a 'break in', some guys like to treat a virgin barrel with a product made by Microlon called Gun Juice. The idea is to line the barrel with a teflon like coating, increasing velocities and the ease of cleaning. You run a wet patch through the bore and fire a round while it is still wet, then repeat 10-12 times. I have used it but don't have the experience to tell if it has made a difference in the velocity department, but I have noticed it make a difference in keeping the barrel cleaner.

Of course you can do this treatment at any time; the barrel does not have to be new, just well cleaned first.
 
You will find varying opinions about barrel break in... or how often you should clean it...

some say do it
some say don't do it
some even go so far as to say it is recommended by barrel makes so you will wear your barrel out faster. (That’s a myth)
some even get pissed off talking about it
everyone has an opinion about it

I particularly like what Lilja has to say about it.
"It is important to break-in a barrel though. The jacket material must be removed after every shot during the initial few rounds. If this isn't done the areas of the barrel that fouled will tend to pick up more fouling and it will build on itself. It is important to get a layer of powder fouling on top of the lands & grooves. This hard deposit will prevent the copper from stripping off the bullets. However, if the internal finish of the barrel is too rough the barrel will never be completely broken-in and fouling will always be a problem. Some barrels can't be broken-in. "

...there are breaking in procedures if you wish to do it.​

Factory barrels are considerably different than custom match grade hand lapped barrels.

Here are various barrel maker's break in procedures:

Krieger - Break-in Procedure
With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat. If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it; copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.

Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or steel chemistry, or the condition of the chambering reamer, etc. . . For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. (Chrome moly and stainless steel are different materials with some things in common and others different.) Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in -- sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

Finally, the best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary.

Shilen - Break-in Procedure
Break-in procedures are as diverse as cleaning techniques. Shilen, Inc. introduced a break-in procedure mostly because customers seemed to think that we should have one. By and large, we don't think breaking-in a new barrel is a big deal. All our stainless steel barrels have been hand lapped as part of their production, as well as any chrome moly barrel we install. Hand lapping a barrel polishes the interior of the barrel and eliminates sharp edges or burrs that could cause jacket deformity. This, in fact, is what you are doing when you break-in a new barrel through firing and cleaning.
Here is our standard recommendation: Clean after each shot for the first 5 shots. The remainder of the break-in is to clean every 5 shots for the next 50 shots. During this time, don't just shoot bullets down the barrel during this 50 shot procedure. This is a great time to begin load development. Zero the scope over the first 5 shots, and start shooting for accuracy with 5-shot groups for the next 50 shots. Same thing applies to fire forming cases for improved or wildcat cartridges. Just firing rounds down a barrel to form brass without any regard to their accuracy is a mistake. It is a waste of time and barrel life.

Lilja - Break-in Procedure
For an effective break-in the barrel should be cleaned after every shot for the first 10-12 rounds or until copper fouling stops. Our procedure is to push a cotton patch that is wet with solvent through the barrel. This will remove much of the powder fouling and wet the inside of the barrel with solvent. Next, wet a bronze brush with solvent and stroke the barrel 5-10 times. Follow this by another wet patch and then one dry patch. Now soak the barrel with a strong copper removing solvent until all of the blue mess is removed from the barrel. The copper fouling will be heavy for a few rounds and then taper off quickly in just one or two shots. Once it has stopped or diminished significantly it is time to start shooting 5 shot groups, cleaning after each one. After 25-30 rounds clean at a normal interval of 10-25 rounds. Your barrel is now broken-in.

For best results, of course, it is necessary to 'season' it and use proper cleaning equipment. We like the Dewey coated rods, a good bore guide, copper/bronze brushes and cotton flannel patches, the appropriate size to keep that jag and rod in the middle of the bore. You will need a good bore solvent, like KG 3, Shooters Choice or CR-10 to loosen the fouling, followed by a scrubbing with Holland's Witches Brew or KG 2. After cleaning, nullify the solvents with rubbing alcohol and patch dry. Finish with Tetra Gun Oil, KG 4 or Holland's Bbl Break-in Fluid. Never shoot a dry bore as this will greatly promote copper fouling.


Pac-Nor - Break-in Procedure
Shoot one, clean, for first ten rounds; shoot three, clean, for next thirty rounds; shoot five, clean, while working up load. Allow bbl to cool to the touch before testing a new load to avoid unnecessary throat erosion.


Speedy Gonzales - Break-in Procedure
S.G.&Y. BARREL BREAK-IN & CLEANING INSTRUCTIONS

Many of our customers upon taking delivery of their new gun or barrel are in a quandary as how to go about breaking-in that new barrel for maximum life and accuracy. With so much written in magazines these days stating use this, don't use that, brush, don't brush...what's a person to do?? At S.G.&Y Precision, we have a unique opportunity to inspect many barrels on a daily basis with our video borescope. Consequently, we see the results of a variety of break-in as well as cleaning procedures, and most of them leave the rifle owners with their mouth agape when they see the fruits of their misinformed labor on our color monitor. We have seen practically new barrels ruined with less than a hundred rounds shot through them by some of the crazy and sometimes humorous break-in methods. Anyway here goes for what it's worth.

Bore guides - If you don't have one get one! Without a good bore guide you are just wasting your time trying to break-in a barrel or cleaning it for that matter. More barrels are destroyed by cleaning without a bore guide than by shooting. There are many types and brands of bore guides available on the market and range in price from $5.00 to $50.00. The only one we recommend is the Lucas two-piece bore guide. They are the best insurance you can buy for that new barrel. All other bore guides in my opinion are only good for keeping the solvents out of the trigger and action.

Solvents - We recommend Sweets 7.62 for copper and a solvent mix of our own (Actually Pat McMlllan gave me this formula) for powder fouling and for cleaning/storing your gun for the next match or season. This Speedy Formula is made as follows: Mix 2/3rds Hoppes # 9 Plus Black Powder solvent with 1/3rd Regular Hoppes # 9 Nitro solvent. Let this mixture set overnight and it will form a sort of gel that adheres very well to the brush and cuts powder fouling to a minimum. Note: Butches Boreshine may be substituted for this Speedy formula.

Procedure for "Break-in"- Before firing that first shot, clean the barrel as if it had been shot by following these simple steps:

Step1 - Insert Lucas bore guide into receiver and chamber. If you don't have one stop here and get one, if not, just shoot your gun and forget trying to take any care of your barrel at all. Lf you do have one, proceed and give yourself an "At-A-Boy" for being astute enough to have purchased the proper tools for the job. Note: One "Aw-s**t" wipes out all your "At-A-Boys".

Step 2 - Run one wet patch of Sweets through the bore and let soak for approximately 30 seconds. Do not patch this out.

Step 3 – Next, run the brush through the barrel only enough to expose the entire brush. Yes, I know that you still have 12 more inches of cleaning rod you could push out the end of your barrel but we want to protect that new crown. Also. if that rod hangs out that far, you will eventually start wearing down the rifling at the crown from about 4 to 7 o'clock. This is very bad "JU-JU" for accuracy. OK, back to our next step. Once the brush is exposed, saturate it well with our Speedy Formula or Butch's Boreshine and SLOWLY run the brush through the bore 10 complete back and forth passes while keeping the rod as straight as possible. This is when the Lucas bore guide really pays for itself. Remember, the key word is slowly. We are not trying to break any speed records. Let this sit a minute or two and proceed to the next step.

Step 4 - After you have let the barrel soak for a few moments, saturate a patch with the Speedy Formula or Butch's Boreshine and pass it through the bore. Follow this with 2 dry patches and then dry the chamber with Brake Kleen or lighter fluid. Next, gently wipe the crown off with a soft cloth and lube your bolt (lets not gall the lugs just yet). Now. your ready to shoot your first shot. Then follow the schedule below to complete your barrel break-in.

1. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 1 shot.

2. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 5 shots.

3. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 10 shots.

4. Clean barrel / lube bolt /10 to 15 shots and clean again.

Additional Cleaning Tips
Each time you clean you may also follow the last dry patch with a patch soaked with LOCK-EEZ. This is a graphite powder suspended in a quick evaporating carrier that coats the bore slightly before passing that first round through a completely dry bore.

We are always asked about powder fouling and how to remove it. The only product that we have seen that really does a good job on powder fouling, especially on the carbon ring that forms just ahead of where the neck ends in the chamber, is IOSSO Bore Paste. This is used with a Pro-Shot nylon bristle brush and worked slowly in the neck and throat areas, then slowly down the entire bore. Follow this up with a few wet patches, then dry the bore as usual. and your ready to shoot.

Follow the outline above for your regular cleaning program and I promise that your barrels will deliver their greatest accuracy and life without a lot of grief and hours of wondering if they are clean.
Good Shooting,
Speedy Gonzalez

I have posted most of this information in the last 10 or 15 inquiries about "breaking a barrel in"... good luck with what ever you decide to do.

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Here are a few facts:

Barrel break-in recommendations, like so much of what we do in shooting, is comprised 100% of anecdote, or at best, very lop-sided comparisons.

Nobody has ever properly compared a large sampling of barrels made from the same company, using the same steel, in the same catridge, shooting the same bullets with the same powder and primers over the same intervals of time under the same atmospheric conditions...and compared the results, much less published them for all to see.

It is a completely unscientific approach to a process that:

a: wastes ammo (and makes ammo makers very happy)
b : wastes barrel life (and makes barrel makers very happy)
c: Wastes cleaning materials (and makes cleaning material pimps very happy)

You can see, the ones who stand to gain the most by the barrel break-in theory are those that sell barrels, bullets and barrel cleaning stuff. It only stands to reason that they vigorously promote it.

Shoot your rifle and have fun. Clean it after a day at the range for the first few times and then clean it when you notice accuracy falls off after a couple hundred rounds.

Barrel break in is an unproven, unscientific ritual that ranks up there with the notion that being hundreds of miles away from any human contact and being at low atmospheric temperature causes the creation of rhinoviruses out of thin air and results in "catching a cold". It is to rifle care what male circumcision is to ##### care.
 
For the proponents of barrel break-in: I don't understand why somebody would believe that they can "finish" a barrel properly with a cleaning rod and some cleaning supplies. The number of strokes req'd would have to be significant enough that you would risk damaging the barrel. I have seen how some companies lap their barrels, and they have to throw away a few inches on both ends because the rifling is pooched from the rod bending/flexing and touching the rifling... makes you think why you would want to attempt to do the same in the field with potentially poorer eqpt. I know that Gale McMillan would void any warranty work on barrels that guys "broke in" with such products like JB Bore Paste.
 
Break it in by taking it to the range and shooting it.Then take it home and clean it.Or not.When accuracy sucks,clean it.Other than that don't waste your ammo.
 
I am happy with patches. I've tested brushes and patches and patches work fine.

Not all cartridges/powders allow this. The 6BR wth varget is notorious for accumulating a ring of carbon at the throat that invades the corners of lands. It practically fuses to the steel and needs brushing.

I have used wipe-out and this doesn't attack that.
 
I just thought I would add the post from Gale McMillan on barrel break in, this is from the 6mm BR site but I originally saw this way back in 2000 or so on The Firing Line when I first joined that forum. Like everything else it is an opinion but for me it seems to be very logical, I don't slag on anybody who endorses barrel break-in, I just don't understand it.

"The break in fad was started by a fellow I helped get started in the barrel business . He started putting a set of break in instructions in ever barrel he shipped. One came into the shop to be installed and I read it and the next time I saw him I asked him What was with this break in crap?. His answer was Mac, My share of the market is about 700 barrels a year. I cater to the target crowd and they shoot a barrel about 3000 rounds before they change it. If each one uses up 100 rounds of each barrel breaking it in you can figure out how many more barrels I will get to make each year. If you will stop and think that the barrel doesn't know whether you are cleaning it every shot or every 5 shots and if you are removing all foreign material that has been deposited in it since the last time you cleaned it what more can you do? When I ship a barrel I send a recommendation with it that you clean it ever chance you get with a brass brush pushed through it at least 12 times with a good solvent and followed by two and only 2 soft patches. This means if you are a bench rest shooter you clean ever 7 or 8 rounds . If you are a high power shooter you clean it when you come off the line after 20 rounds. If you follow the fad of cleaning every shot for X amount and every 2 shots for X amount and so on the only thing you are accomplishing is shortening the life of the barrel by the amount of rounds you shot during this process. I always say Monkey see Monkey do, now I will wait on the flames but before you write them, Please include what you think is happening inside your barrel during break in that is worth the expense and time you are spending during break in"

Here is the reference:
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Barrel_BreakIn.asp

6mm Br has some on it too:

http://www.6mmbr.com/GailMcMbreakin.html

Just food for thought...
 
I just thought I would add the post from Gale McMillan on barrel break in, this is from the 6mm BR site but I originally saw this way back in 2000 or so on The Firing Line when I first joined that forum. Like everything else it is an opinion but for me it seems to be very logical, I don't slag on anybody who endorses barrel break-in, I just don't understand it.

"The break in fad was started by a fellow I helped get started in the barrel business . He started putting a set of break in instructions in ever barrel he shipped. One came into the shop to be installed and I read it and the next time I saw him I asked him What was with this break in crap?. His answer was Mac, My share of the market is about 700 barrels a year. I cater to the target crowd and they shoot a barrel about 3000 rounds before they change it. If each one uses up 100 rounds of each barrel breaking it in you can figure out how many more barrels I will get to make each year. If you will stop and think that the barrel doesn't know whether you are cleaning it every shot or every 5 shots and if you are removing all foreign material that has been deposited in it since the last time you cleaned it what more can you do? When I ship a barrel I send a recommendation with it that you clean it ever chance you get with a brass brush pushed through it at least 12 times with a good solvent and followed by two and only 2 soft patches. This means if you are a bench rest shooter you clean ever 7 or 8 rounds . If you are a high power shooter you clean it when you come off the line after 20 rounds. If you follow the fad of cleaning every shot for X amount and every 2 shots for X amount and so on the only thing you are accomplishing is shortening the life of the barrel by the amount of rounds you shot during this process. I always say Monkey see Monkey do, now I will wait on the flames but before you write them, Please include what you think is happening inside your barrel during break in that is worth the expense and time you are spending during break in"

Here is the reference:
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Barrel_BreakIn.asp

6mm Br has some on it too:

http://www.6mmbr.com/GailMcMbreakin.html

Just food for thought...

I still like the theory Lilja states..."The jacket material must be removed after every shot during the initial few rounds. If this isn't done the areas of the barrel that fouled will tend to pick up more fouling and it will build on itself. It is important to get a layer of powder fouling on top of the lands & grooves. This hard deposit will prevent the copper from stripping off the bullets. However, if the internal finish of the barrel is too rough the barrel will never be completely broken-in and fouling will always be a problem. Some barrels can't be broken-in. "

That involves a few shots, not shortening barrel life as hundreds of shots and a rod pushed through the bore hundreds of times would do... and I believe McMillan's story is 100% anecdotal. His barrel makers theory and math do not make make sense to me...

With match quality barrels the only part of the barrel that is 'breaking in' is the freshly cut throat...

Certainly is controversial...

off to seek the dumb moose...:)
 
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