Barrel for 2MOA AR

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I have a S&W MP15 II and realize that this is not a precision rifle, but assuming the shooter and rest of the rifle is up to the task, I'd like to get the to ~2MOA in the 100-200 yard range. Any thoughts on a somewhat inexpensive barrel that will get this done? I'd like to stay around $300, but if not, I'll probably just pick this one up: Daniel Defense Barrel

I also wouldn't mind some recommendations for cheap ammo that will get 2MOA done at 200 yards. I shot a case of Barnaul steel case stuff, and while reliable, it was terrible, with a lot of inconsistency. Any experience with anyone achieving that with this relatively cheap ammo: American Eagle .223
 
I think you should experiment with a wide range of ammo (brands and weights) before switching barrels. You may find one or two that give you the results you’re looking for without needing to invest more in the gun. Trying to run cheap ammo in any barrel is not a recipe for accuracy.
 
I think you should experiment with a wide range of ammo (brands and weights) before switching barrels. You may find one or two that give you the results you’re looking for without needing to invest more in the gun. Trying to run cheap ammo in any barrel is not a recipe for accuracy.

Sound advice, and I realize that cheap ammo is garbage for accuracy, but I really just don't want to mess around with a variety of ammo. If I can get a stainless barrel for $300, AND avoid the whole hassle, it's well worth it to me.



How about Maple Ridge Armoury? You can find some for less than this and it's capable of sub moa.

https://www.mapleridgearmoury.com/product/mra-14-5-5r-match-series-barrel/


Wow, those look like nice pieces for the price - thanks so much! I was able to find a Match 14.5" one for $300 in Canada, so I already ordered it!
 
Try some good ammo, or better yet get reloading and tailor a load to your rifle. I think if you put some ammo through it that it likes, you might just be surprised. Try some Steel Match as already suggested, but also try some tipped with the 55 gr V-Max.
 
Most any AR barrel should hold 2 minutes with decent ammunition. Including yours.
What are you using for sights?

By all means, install a replacement barrel. Most any barrel you get should hold 2 minutes with decent ammunition.
 
Most any AR barrel should hold 2 minutes with decent ammunition. Including yours.
What are you using for sights?

By all means, install a replacement barrel. Most any barrel you get should hold 2 minutes with decent ammunition.

Exactly. Your rifle is likely 2MOA capable as is. What are your current groups and what equipment are you using when you shoot?

If you’re expecting 2 MOA with garbage ammo then you may have to lower your expectations, regardless of what barrel is on it.
 
I think you should experiment with a wide range of ammo (brands and weights) before switching barrels. You may find one or two that give you the results you’re looking for without needing to invest more in the gun. Trying to run cheap ammo in any barrel is not a recipe for accuracy.

This and try Hornady steel match...comes in 3 bullet weights to match your barrel twist.
 
I bought a complete factory DD upper for 550, waiting to test it at 100+ range. Wait on EE, if your patient a good deal will pop up. Most people have positive reviews on SW but I wanted something different hence the DD stag lower option.
 
Running cheap ammo through a fancy barrel is like putting 87 octane in a race engine. No matter what you do, the cheap fuel is going to continuously hold you back and until you resolve the problems at the lowest level, you'll continue to have issues as you work your way up.
 
Running cheap ammo through a fancy barrel is like putting 87 octane in a race engine. No matter what you do, the cheap fuel is going to continuously hold you back and until you resolve the problems at the lowest level, you'll continue to have issues as you work your way up.

This is so true. Buy a noveske or proof research barrel and run the cheapest ####tiest 55gr fmj ammo through that barrel and I can almost guarantee you will get the same results as with your factory barrel.

Look at optics. Are you running a quality scope with solid mounts. Do you have good solid shooting fundamentals? Are you shooting the sock trigger. Honestly that's what I would replace before the barrel. Get some 69gr match ammo and a solid good magnification scope and see what your rifle can do before replacing parts and remember.... generic run of the mill ammo will give you run of the mill
 
This is so true. Buy a noveske or proof research barrel and run the cheapest ####tiest 55gr fmj ammo through that barrel and I can almost guarantee you will get the same results as with your factory barrel.

Look at optics. Are you running a quality scope with solid mounts. Do you have good solid shooting fundamentals? Are you shooting the sock trigger. Honestly that's what I would replace before the barrel. Get some 69gr match ammo and a solid good magnification scope and see what your rifle can do before replacing parts and remember.... generic run of the mill ammo will give you run of the mill

This is true to a point. I've run $1000 barrels in my AR's and I've run $150 barrels. The expensive barrel will shoot all ammo more consistently than the crappy barrel but until you run quality ammo you'll never see what the barrel is really capable of. The biggest advantage gained from a high quality barrel is the stress relieving and heat treating that help it be more consistent as it gets hot.

Quality optics and a solid mount are also very important but what is often overlooked is shooter ability. It's not as easy to shoot a semi auto consistently as it is to shoot a bolt action. A semi will magnify all your errors as a shooter so just because a rifle manufacturer claims sub moa doesn't mean the consumer will ever see it.

OP, notice how often I use the word consistent or consistently? Accuracy is what a rifle/ammo/shooter can do over and over group after group and making an AR capable of sub 2 moa is easy if you're willing to spend the money on a quality barrel and do the work needed to find the ammo it likes. Even a Proof Research barrel for $1000 probably won't shoot cheap ammo very well. If you want consistent accuracy you need a consistent rifle, consistent ammo, and a consistent shooter behind the trigger.
Your factory barrel is probably capable of sub 2 moa if you shoot slowly so it doesn't get hot and if you find the right ammo but the chances of that ammo being cheap are slim.

Also, forget about the tight twist NEEDS a heavy projectile. This is wrong, a tight twist and heavy (long) projectiles are needed for shooting long range but if you're shooting at under 300 yards a slower twist or lighter projectiles will work just fine. It's about stabilization and even a 12 twist can stabilize a light bullet out to 300 yards and provide fantastic accuracy. A lot of guys don't get this and think that a 7 twist barrel needs 77gr projecties to shoot accurately. At 100 yards it doesn't matter and it's the consistency of the heavy match grade ammo that's giving the better groups not the heavy projectile being better suited to the twist rate.

And just to make it more difficult, just because the box says MATCH on it doesn't mean your barrel will like it. You'll probably have to try a few different brands and weights to find what your barrel shoots well.

Good luck
 
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