Bavarian M1 Carbines, flash hiders, and their removal

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Hi all,

I have a Bavarian M1 Carbine with a flash hider extension to the original USGI barrel. Before attempting to remove the flash hider, I wanted to confirm that the Bavarian arsenals were not the ones to add the flash hider and that it was likely added once the rifle arrived in Canada -- correct?

Does anyone have recommendations on how to go about removing the flash hider without damaging the rest of the rifle? I've looked carefully at the flash hider joint just in front of the sight and I can't see any solder line, so I suspect it's press fit. If so, I was thinking of putting a brass plug against the muzzle and using a two jaw gear puller hooked to the cutouts on the flash hider and bearing against the brass plug to lift off the flash hider. Thoughts?
 
I can't see any indications that the Bavarian Carbines were ever modified with flash hiders/barrel extensions, so would assume this was done in Canada as was the case with many others.

A photo would be helpful. Is the original front sight still in place? I wonder if the original OD of the barrel was turned down in front of the sight to fit this device? Chances are that silver solder was used to install this. It is possible that the flash hider could be cut lengthwise and then driven off after heating(assuming that silver solder was used to install it). Again, some close-up photos would be helpful to get a better idea of what you are dealing with.

I have a Carbine barrel which was modified for some type of custom sight and barrel extension. The barrel OD was reduced as far back as the rear of the front sight band in order to fit the extension by a combination of press fit and silver solder. Fortunately the original barrel length was not shortened. The trouble with restoring this barrel is that the extension would need to be shortened and then turned down to match the original barrel length and OD in order to accomodate an original front sight. The extension would also need to be milled to accept a front sight key which would still fit in the shallower keyway which was left after reducing the OD of the original barrel. This is a lot of farting around with a lathe and a milling machine.
 
stickhunter said:
Hi all,

I have a Bavarian M1 Carbine with a flash hider extension to the original USGI barrel. Before attempting to remove the flash hider, I wanted to confirm that the Bavarian arsenals were not the ones to add the flash hider and that it was likely added once the rifle arrived in Canada -- correct?

Does anyone have recommendations on how to go about removing the flash hider without damaging the rest of the rifle? I've looked carefully at the flash hider joint just in front of the sight and I can't see any solder line, so I suspect it's press fit. If so, I was thinking of putting a brass plug against the muzzle and using a two jaw gear puller hooked to the cutouts on the flash hider and bearing against the brass plug to lift off the flash hider. Thoughts?
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Could someone have done that to make it non restricted back in the day? Might be well attached, as in machined,welded and/or silver soldered.

Let's see a pic...how good/bad does it look?
 
I had one of those in the day. Took the gun out to try it out and the first shot took the flash hider with it!
 
Decided not to attempt to remove mine,someday I might send it to a gunsmith to get it removed.

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Mine looks a lot different, someone spent a bit of time fitting it, may be a European gunsmith..thought it was a bubba but read on Jim Mocks web site that if a carbine was sold to a civilian it had to have a change of some kind to differentiate it from service weapons, but they usually cut off the side ears and sharpen the front sight top to a inverted v..
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Most likely sweat-soldered on to make it non-restricted when it was legal to do so. It has to be registered as restricted now. I have removed a few of these, and it is quite simple. Sometimes the end of the barrel has been turned down, you should be able to tell by looking into the muzzle end.

Clamp the barrel in a soft-jaw bench vise. Heat the extension near the sight with a propane plumber's torch in one hand, and grab the extension on the end with pliers with the other hand. As it heats up to red heat, wiggle the extension using the pliers. It will come off. Use a wet rag to wipe as much solder off as possible while it's still hot. You can leave it like that if you want, but some of the solder will show. If you want to, you can then remove the front sight, but this takes a bit of skill, and you should use a sight-puller after the pin has been knocked out with a 1/8 pin punch. Use lots of penetrating oil AND support the sight properly while you are knocking out the pin. After it's off, a light sanding with 400 SiC paper, then you can touch up with cold bluing. Put the sight back on, making sure you put the pin back in the way it came out, and it aligns with the cut in the front sight key.

PM me if you have anymore question.
 
Wow, thanks for the info, on the get-a-round to it list (enfield revolver wont eject and changed cambers, find 8mm lebel ammo, play with new to me last fall Savage 303. fix up Ross rifle...and so on)
 
DennyCrane said:
Decided not to attempt to remove mine,someday I might send it to a gunsmith to get it removed.

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Deny yours looks Soldered on with a reinforcing fillet of Sil-Fos. It could also be a pass with a copper-nickel filler rod(like Monel 67) using GTAW.:)

Nice looking stock and i see yours didnt get the Patridge sights added as mine did in place of the GI aperture sight. Its a shame it got that deregistering add-on.
 
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stickhunter said:
Hi all,

I have a Bavarian M1 Carbine with a flash hider extension to the original USGI barrel. Before attempting to remove the flash hider, I wanted to confirm that the Bavarian arsenals were not the ones to add the flash hider and that it was likely added once the rifle arrived in Canada -- correct?

Does anyone have recommendations on how to go about removing the flash hider without damaging the rest of the rifle? I've looked carefully at the flash hider joint just in front of the sight and I can't see any solder line, so I suspect it's press fit. If so, I was thinking of putting a brass plug against the muzzle and using a two jaw gear puller hooked to the cutouts on the flash hider and bearing against the brass plug to lift off the flash hider. Thoughts?
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