BC Baiting law ?

[SignGuy]

i've heard the best bait to use for big game in BC is a keg of beer and a spear

 

[cariboo_kid]

Good post Mauser. Now how do we read that folks, a dead animal that we didn't place there - is that baiting or not??

Clarke is right, it is just not clear enough. However every time they attempt to "clarify" a law all they really do is give us more restrictions. It would be interesting if any CO's are members here and would give their opinions on this.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

So, what does a bear hunter do with the bruin standing up to it's belly in alphalfa in a ranchers field? Providing the hunter has permission to hunt there.

SHOOT!! Repeat if necessary.

 

[Gatehouse]

Good post Mauser. Now how do we read that folks, a dead animal that we didn't place there - is that baiting or not??

Clarke is right, it is just not clear enough. However every time they attempt to "clarify" a law all they really do is give us more restrictions. It would be interesting if any CO's are members here and would give their opinions on this.

Dead animal you didn't place there- or have knowledge of- is AOK, as far as I can understand...

 

[SignGuy]

awww heck if you wanna bait some bears head east to ontario and join us for our once a year bear hunts

 

[the_big_mike]

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I saw some wolves chasing white-tails in a cutblock in Alberta so I pulled out a deer call and did some fawn distress calls.

These two came a running at me. I put one round in one of them and threw 5 rounds at the other before he dropped. Glad I had my sav. 99 in .300 sav. with six pills in it.

I've never called in a bear or cougar but will be trying it in the future.

Robin down under

im pretty sure i would have pissed my pants if these #####es came runnin at me from 100 yrds out and after a few rounds into one it doesnt drop..

yup

 

[Icon]

Here's some quotes from the BC Hunting Regulations(the real one's, not the synopsis)

Top notch! Thanks for posting! The main things I got out of it were :

Placing/depositing bait
Using dead animal

I guess if you didn't place or deposit the alphalfa or berries, you are good!

 

[walksalot]

Dead animal you didn't place there- or have knowledge of- is AOK, as far as I can understand...

My take on it is if you see a bear standing there and shoot it only to find it is feeding on a dead animal then it is not baiting but once you know the carcass is there you are.

Ask any C.O. to give you an interpretation and sign their name to it.

 

[Calum]

i've heard the best bait to use for big game in BC is a keg of beer and a spear

In our area of Vancouver Island that tends to attract Cougars ie...of the middle aged, horny women variety.

On the Mainland in Surrey it is the sound of loose pocket change.

 

[dw]

Quote:
"bait" means any thing, including meat, cereal, cultivated crops, a restrained animal or any manufactured product or material, that may attract wildlife, but does not include a decoy;

So what always confused me is this......does that mean we cannot use a call to lure in a bear as it is a manufactured product used to attract wildlife?

 

[Steeleco]

Here is the BC reg on electronic calls DW, what's the difference between these and those can calls. With the amount of bears in BC and only having a limit of 2, you'd wonder why any of these rules are necessary??

14. to use recorded or electronic calls to
hunt wildlife except wolf, coyote, cougar,
lynx or bobcat or any bird listed in
Schedule C (see “What is Wildlife?”
section).

It would be real hard not to shoot a nice bear that comes to the call when your out hunting yotes!!!

 

[dw]

Yeah I knew electronic calls are out, but what about a mouth call or deer bleat in a can. Technically they are a manufactured product to attract wildlife........see what I mean?

 

[Barracuda]

mouth calls or mechanical calls (bleat in a can) are acceptable just not electronic calls.

 

[dw]

mouth calls or mechanical calls (bleat in a can) are acceptable just not electronic calls.

Hey Kyle.....I agree, but the point is Technically they are a manufactured product to attract wildlife...therfore is that not baiting? According to the letter of the law

 

[Duffy]

Now suppose you made a decoy of a bear it would be ok. Suppose you carved the decoy out of a solid block of lard then painted it with blackberry syrup.

Would a judge laugh or pinch you?

Robin down under

 

[Steeleco]

So the moral of this thread is: The rules suck, and only the guy that wrote them knows what they mean!!!!

 

[dw]

So the moral of this thread is: The rules suck, and only the guy that wrote them knows what they mean!!!!

I can live with that theory.

 

[bisonhd]

Sounds good to me. He's probably retired and spends his afternoons on the back porch shooting drunken deer in his orchard.

 

[Gatehouse]

So the moral of this thread is: The rules suck, and only the guy that wrote them knows what they mean!!!!

The problem, (AS I SEE IT ANYWAY) is this:

It's alot easier to put a law INTO the books than it is to REMOVE one.

People suggest a law,. because it makes sense at the time, in thier context, but as times change, those old laws may not still be relevent, or useful, but stil peopel don't want to remove any restrictions.

A good example is the shotgun law. For years, you were restricted to 3 shots in your shotgun, where a rifle could have 10 or even 200 rounds of ammo..Teh law was put into place for waterfowl hunitng, but noone ever considered that some woud hunt big game with thier shotgun. It's finally been changed so that if you use SINGLE PROJECTILES, as you hunt big game, you can remove the plug in your shotgun.

Of course, I dont' see the issue with an unplugged shotgun for waterfowl, anyway. WOuldn't it be better to have extra ammo avaiable in the event you hit but do not kill a goose? SO you can follow up faster?

Electronic cals are another thing. Why shgoudl we not be able to use them for bears, or even elk or moose? They are no GUARANTEE of a kill, anyway.

I use an electronic cal for coyotes, but the real masters have been caling in yotes with mouth calls for years, and they can be every bit as sucessful or more so than an electronic.

If you ignore basic hutning principles, the E caller is not goign to help you anyway.,...

Teh whoel idea of baiting is sooooo up in the air to interpretation. I *KNOW* for a *FACT* that many guides with foreign hunters will return to an elk or moose kill to look for a grizzly withthier hunter. IN fct, it was reported recently in BIg Game Adventures Magazine, that someone did just that!!

I don't really have an issue with bear bating.FOr the most part, it seems like alot more work to get a bear, than the way most BC'ers hunt them, which is the F250 spot and stalk method.

It's not like we have a shortage of bears in BC. As with all rules, they should adapt and change witht he times. We have no shortage of bears, so why not allow baiting if a hunter chooses to, as one more opportunity?

 

[Barracuda]

well If in doubt call the govt office. that is what i do (some of them know me by name ) I have the name and number of the head cheese down here i am not sure if he would be the same fellow for you but if you would like it just let me know .
As for calls, the mouth produced calls are produced by human lungs the call in itself does not produce the sound emited . as for the mechanical bleat i am sure it was not even conceivable to whomever wrote the paper to be passed into law. (just like most impractical laws) .

I gotta agre with gathouse that the most practical method in bc for bears is drive & stalk method anything else is more work and effort than what really is needed to harvest a bear . Baiting,hounds,calling etc is just an extra element (and effort)that is added to the hunting experience if one is to be so inclined (or stupid )