BC Folder & OAL, Opinions needed.

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So I got my BC folder today on my 10/22 with a 16.5" barrel. The OAL Length comes to slightly under 25"
So I'm wondering what are your opinions?

So far, I believe theres are my options:
#1 Weld something ~1 1/4" to the rear of the stock(Weld what though?!)
#2 Attach a muzzle break/flash hider combo or the flash hider alone. The flash hider may not be long enough though. I'm talking about the screw on ones. Can be welded if necessary.
#3 Get a standard length barrel from the EE

I'm a little against #2 & #3 because I kind of like the short barrel look on it right now, but then again, welding something to the stock itself will take away the stocks value. And what can you really weld onto it and make it still look decent?!

Opinions are welcomed!
And here's a pic of the restricted 10/22(Stock is currently off it):
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BTW the post of someone welding something to their folding shotgun stock to meet min length isn't useful so don't post it. The user was banned and all pics are missing now.
 
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lone-wolf said:
#2 Attach a muzzle break/flash hider combo or the flash hider alone. The flash hider may not be long enough though. I'm talking about the screw on ones. Can be welded if necessary.
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IIRC, there was some talk about the fact
that the muzzle device must be permanently attached
in order that its lenght contributes to the gun OAL.
Welding on the barrel sucks. I would say pinned method is better.


lone-wolf said:
#3 Get a standard length barrel from the EE.
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They are becoming harder and harder to find, regardless of lenght.
I just bought a new factory barrel 20" with fire sights @ $75.





In my measurements, on the BC stock, a barrel lenght of about 17"
is required to just make the 660mm min lenght when folded.




lone-wolf said:
I'm a little against #2 & #3 because I kind of like the short barrel look on it right now, but then again, welding something to the stock itself will take away the stocks value.
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Will rather take away the "compact" idea associated
with the folding stocks,
not to mention that it would make it look weird.


lone-wolf said:
And what can you really weld onto it and make it still look decent?!
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I have read on this board of somebody welding a chain link
to make up for few milimeters.



lone-wolf said:
BTW the post of someone welding something to their folding shotgun stock to meet min length isn't useful so don't post it. The user was banned and all pics are missing now.
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Was the CGN user banned because of that, or different reasons? :confused::confused:
 
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Dr.Lector said:
Was the CGN user banned because of that, or different reasons? :confused::confused:
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Not sure, All I know is any pics that were on the thread are gone, and that the user was banned for whatever reason.

I don't think the flash hider would have to be welded. I mean the stock itself it only held on by a screw. And the OAL of the action and barrel itself is under 26" and is able to fire. So if the stock itself doesn't need to be permanently to bring a rifle to over 26", why should a flash hider?
 
lone-wolf said:
I don't think the flash hider would have to be welded. I mean the stock itself it only held on by a screw. And the OAL of the action and barrel itself is under 26" and is able to fire. So if the stock itself doesn't need to be permanently to bring a rifle to over 26", why should a flash hider?
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As I said, I remember some talk
on this subject in some old thread on CGN,
namely if the muzzle device has to be permanently attached
if you want its lenght to be taken into consideration for the gun OAL.
I cannot confirm that, since I'm not a verifier.

Speaking of which, most of the verifiers on this board
are useless like teats on a bull, since they never
come with any valuable info in this kind of discussions.
Most of them don't even know how to measure OAL on a rifle.
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Dr.Lector said:
As I said, I remember some talk
on this subject in some old thread on CGN,
namely if the muzzle device has to be permanently attached
if you want its lenght to be taken into consideration for the gun OAL.
I cannot confirm that, since I'm not a verifier.
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Yeah i know what you mean. There's no real definitive answer from what I can find. Even if it's not welded there's only a 1% chance that someone(with authority) will inspect my firearm. And from that, a 50/50 chance they'll call it restricted or non-restricted. Maybe just pleading ignorance is the way to go.
I'll have a look through the firearms classification crap. See if I can find anything useful(not likely)
 
I don't think the flash hider would have to be welded. I mean the stock itself it only held on by a screw. And the OAL of the action and barrel itself is under 26" and is able to fire. So if the stock itself doesn't need to be permanently to bring a rifle to over 26", why should a flash hider?
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Because its the law, stupid as the law is.

The concern is that you could make an otherwise prohibited rifle, and then have the ability to unscrew a portion of the barrel, and make it really short, and then screw it back on if you're about to get caught.

Personally, I think the rule is dumb, but its the law. To be considered for overall length it HAS to be permanently attached and removable only with the use of tools.
 
Paul Morrison said:
Because its the law, stupid as the law is.

The concern is that you could make an otherwise prohibited rifle, and then have the ability to unscrew a portion of the barrel, and make it really short, and then screw it back on if you're about to get caught.

Personally, I think the rule is dumb, but its the law. To be considered for overall length it HAS to be permanently attached and removable only with the use of tools.
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Isn't the allen key used to secure it a tool? And if not, the screw driver used to attach the stock can't be much of a tool either, and what about the barrel itself attached with a couple allen screws?

I don't mean to sound pissed at you, but I can't see this standing up in any reasonable court.
 
Isn't the allen key used to secure it a tool? And if not, the screw driver used to attach the stock can't be much of a tool either, and what about the barrel itself attached with a couple allen screws?

I don't mean to sound pissed at you, but I can't see this standing up in any reasonable court.
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Don't worry I'm not upset, nor do I think the rules are neccessarily reasonable.

However, there are explanations. The stock and barrel can be removeable because the firearm is inoperable without them. It can be fired in the folded position, so the OAL is measured from the reduced OAL from whence it can be fired. The flash hider or compensator must be 'permanently' attached in order to be considered part of the OAL because the firearm can be operated without it.

However, complaining to me about the reasonability of the law is preaching to the choir. I could rattle off a dozen or more reasons why the law is stupid. Doesn't mean I can't follow it.
 
Well ok. What do you think my best option would be, in your opinion? I'm leaning towards welding the flash hider to the barrel and not welding anything on the stock. It's a factory barrel so it's not gonna fetch much $$ if I try and sell it in the future, and the flash hider itself seems fairly cheap. I like the barrel alot, but it seems to make better financial sense(and better looks) then welding something to the back of the stock.
And when I'm talking about welding, I mean getting someone else to weld for me :)
 
Take 'welding something to the back of the stock' out of the equation. OAL is measured with the stock FOLDED to its minimum reduced length.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"welding sumpin at the end of the stock"
means welding on the trunion
(which firmly stays on the plastic part by 2 screws)
and yes, it contributes to the OAL.
It does not mean welding on the folding shoulder piece.
 
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