BCL Has a 9mm carbine design coming?!

Standingtall said:
Now you are at least a grand in for a lee set up worth using and all the kit to go with... then add powder, primers (if/when you can get them), projectiles, and brass (if you are not on your hands and knees at the range like a freakin vulture). Long gone are the days of cheap reloading.
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So true! I always consider it more like Chickens picking.
Shoot 45 and watch everyone tracking the cases lol .
And don’t forget to add your time=$
Lots of steps before you pull the handle.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I had an initial $400 investment in reloading equipment 5 years ago. Easily paid for itself in savings over the first year. When I reload 9mm and 223 I don’t consider them to be expensive anymore to shoot. For me it’s not anyways.
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Then you cannot tell someone that its cheap to shoot. I still got primers I paid 50$ a brick, and powder I paid 40$ a LB. But I'm not gonna tell someone buy this probably 1500$ 9mm, it's cheap to shoot.
 
Like it or not, even at today's inflated prices.... 9mm is the cheapest center fire non surplus, bulk ammo's available.
 
It would be interesting to see a cost comparison between Factory and Reloading.

Side A; equipment ( press tumbles strainers drying tools)
(including cleaning supplies) **not including pricing of workshop equipment (bench/stools/lighting)**
Components (primers bullets powder) ** luts say brass is range picked ** zero $
Vs
Side B; Factory ammo ( common 1000rd case)
At what price and how many rounds until the price becomes even?$?
 
Rippo said:
It would be interesting to see a cost comparison between Factory and Reloading.

Side A; equipment ( press tumbles strainers drying tools)
(including cleaning supplies) **not including pricing of workshop equipment (bench/stools/lighting)**
Components (primers bullets powder) ** luts say brass is range picked ** zero $
Vs
Side B; Factory ammo ( common 1000rd case)
At what price and how many rounds until the price becomes even?$?
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It is significantly less expensive to reload. Then to buy bulk 5.56 NATO. Sure the initial investment is say $400-$500 but you can reload each brass case 6-10 times before it wears out. I would say that reloading 5.56 saves 50% on your ammo costs in comparison to even buying the worst bulk ammo. But those savings are seen once you have reloaded for a few years. And then it’s all uphill 100%. People seem to be complaining about reloading. It is actually easy to do many YouTube videos on it. Later on you can also invest in a turret press which will also reduce your time commitment drastically. But those are around $700 each. Most people will be happy with a single stage press if they shoot only 100 rounds per range session.
 
Ya comparing bulk/surplus ammo to hand loads is silly.
My hand loads shoot in my rifles better than any factory match ammo I have ever tested.

I didn't get into reloading thinking I'd save money over buying bulk ammo but I am sure a #### saving over match ammo.
Most hand loaders aren't saving any money brewing their own, just shooting more for the same cost.
 
Back to OP’s question. (BCL has a 9mm Luger bolt action carbine design in the works.
Possibly with proprietary 30 round magazines.) (What are your thoughts on a 9mm carbine like this?)
I wouldn’t purchase a 9mm bolt carbine. Kinda like deCaffe why Bother.
Too small for the Bush. I wouldn’t consider under 357 for that.
Expensive for killing cans, 22lr has that covered.
Too slow for action shooting.
What’s this 30rd fantasy mag idea?
And made in Canada don’t mean elTurd will allow it.
He wants all your guns!
2cents
 
Rippo said:
Back to OP’s question. (BCL has a 9mm Luger bolt action carbine design in the works.
Possibly with proprietary 30 round magazines.) (What are your thoughts on a 9mm carbine like this?)
I wouldn’t purchase a 9mm bolt carbine. Kinda like deCaffe why Bother.
Too small for the Bush. I wouldn’t consider under 357 for that.
Expensive for killing cans, 22lr has that covered.
Too slow for action shooting.
What’s this 30rd fantasy mag idea?
And made in Canada don’t mean elTurd will allow it.
He wants all your guns!
2cents
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9mm is way more fun to shoot then 22lr in most cases I find. And the fantasy 30 round magazine is not a fantasy. In fact BCL already has a 20 round 5.56 magazine for one of their firearm
platforms.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
9mm is way more fun to shoot then 22lr in most cases I find. And the fantasy 30 round magazine is not a fantasy. In fact BCL already has a 20 round 5.56 magazine for one of their firearm
platforms.
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They did not reinvent the wheel with it though. They just took a mag design that was already designed, and modified it so couldnt be used by the original gun. If its 30rds, then my guess its just a modified Glock magazine.
 
OkayShooter said:
They did not reinvent the wheel with it though. They just took a mag design that was already designed, and modified it so couldnt be used by the original gun. If its 30rds, then my guess its just a modified Glock magazine.
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A "new" 30 round mag based on the geometry of a proven mag would be the best thing to come out of this project.
 
They would have to modify the glocks magazine design. But that magazine that they make cannot fit into any other rifle that is semi auto. Only reason why you can even have 30 rounds is because the magazine only feeds a bolt action rifle and no semi auto. People may not think it’s a big deal. But you need to have expertise in polymers, casting and consistency which is all quite complex for a company to do in house if they they have not been doing it for years and years. Those are the things no one sees though so everyone’s like ummmm there is no reinventing the wheel here. It actually is from a manufacturing perspective especially for a small company. Do you see any other Canadian firearms company doing this?
 
FARMHANDYO said:
They would have to modify the glocks magazine design. But that magazine that they make cannot fit into any other rifle that is semi auto. Only reason why you can even have 30 rounds is because the magazine only feeds a bolt action rifle and no semi auto. People may not think it’s a big deal. But you need to have expertise in polymers, casting and consistency which is all quite complex for a company to do in house if they they have not been doing it for years and years. Those are the things no one sees though so everyone’s like ummmm there is no reinventing the wheel here. It actually is from a manufacturing perspective especially for a small company. Do you see any other Canadian firearms company doing this?
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You really think BCL makes their magazines? No they're contract it out to a company that does it.

Dlask did the same for their Tuff 22. Its just a modifed version of an already designed magazine.
 
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FARMHANDYO said:
They would have to modify the glocks magazine design. But that magazine that they make cannot fit into any other rifle that is semi auto. Only reason why you can even have 30 rounds is because the magazine only feeds a bolt action rifle and no semi auto. People may not think it’s a big deal. But you need to have expertise in polymers, casting and consistency which is all quite complex for a company to do in house if they they have not been doing it for years and years. Those are the things no one sees though so everyone’s like ummmm there is no reinventing the wheel here. It actually is from a manufacturing perspective especially for a small company. Do you see any other Canadian firearms company doing this?
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I also doubt they make this supposed magazine themselves. Going to SGM or promag or whoever that can just make the mould bigger or whatever to physically interfere with the mag well of the gun the original mag was designed for makes a lot more sense. But perhaps they do, but I’d still predict they use the same basic geometry as a proven magazine, just like the bison 20 rounder.
 
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