belt/holster advice needed

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Let me start by saying I am not an IPSC, IDPA, 3-gun or anything like that shooter. So please assume I know absolutely nothing and don't hold ignorance against me :) Also, I'm a lefty.

I bought a used Glock 22 Gen 2 (police trade-in gun) a short while ago and have begun practising with it. I replaced the crap NY1 trigger with a glock OEM standard trigger spring and put in a glock factory 4.5# connector to get the pull to around 5 lbs. It also has factory trijicon sights (I guess most PDs order them that way), but is otherwise a stock gun. I've got 4 mags for it and have been shooting regular power 180gn blaser brass ammo. So far it's been running reliably and I'm shooting it a lot better after getting rid of the AWFUL police trigger.

I've come to the conclusion I need a holster setup as mags in the pockets, etc. is just stupid. I did enough reading to be dangerous and ordered a couple things on sale a couple days ago from DS Tactical as they had some competitive sales going on:

1) a Blade Tech competition speed belt in 40" (I'm a 36 waist, I've been told it's best to go 38 or 40 if you are a 36). I think i got a good price at $59.50
2) a blade tech classic OWB holster, Tek-lok, left handed and the OWB arm, which supposedly improves ergos, on sale for $49.

While I don't shoot any games currently, my club does IPSC and it would be nice to retain the option to try that with the rig I'm building.

So what should I be looking for to mount G22 mags on the belt?
How many mag holders would I need to shoot IPSC production, for example? And for that matter, how many mags would I need?
Should I get multiple singles that swivel around for angle, or look at some doubles to save a few dollars?
Do I need to stick with BT stuff, or will other brands fit my belt and provide better value for money?
Is my holster decent/legal as a starter rig?

Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
Horse96 said:
You have options. The CR speed mag pouches are good. But so are theHSGI mag tacos.

The CR speed use spacers that must be changed if you change guns/mag types. But they hold securely, the tension can be adjusted and make for fast reloads. https://www.freedomventures.ca/products/cr-speed-versa-pouch

The tacos work with any mag and are fast as well. http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/BM-double-pt-13PT02.html
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So how many mags do I need to mount to a belt for IPSC?
 
I run tacos on my belt as well. Primarily I bought them when I used to run a variety of pistols and the universal fit was what I needed most.

One thing I will mention as a side note, or just to reiterate it if it's already crossed your mind.

DRYFIRE TRAINING! before you start using a holster live. This is in my opinion the most dangerous part of handgun shooting and I've unfortunately bared witness to a few people narrowly missing their thigh or foot when practicing on the range with live ammo.
Spend 15 minutes a night drawing and firing (cleared safe obviously) to get your repetitions up and build some muscle memory.
Once you're comfortable and feeling confident, TRAIN SOME MORE!

Not trying to sound like an ass, just like to remind people.
 
I'm not sure how Bladetech does their belt sizing but with competition belts like CR/Ghost/DAA, you don't go by your pant size but actually measure your waist with a tape and order to the next inch longer. For me, I wear a 30-31 pant but my waist is actually 33" so I use a 34" belt.

If you shoot IDPA, your holster will be great. It will work with IPSC as well but it will take a little bit more effort to draw your pistol because of the height it rides on your belt. Might want to look into a D/OS belt mount for your holster. Having it sit a little lower and offset to your body will make drawing during IPSC a bit quicker.

CR Speed, Ghost 360 or DAA Racer/Race Master mag pouches would be my picks (preference for the DAA Racer) if you're going for IPSC as they can be mounted angled on your belt for ease of access and can be altered to fit other mag sizes if you decide to shoot with a different pistol. With IDPA, I belive you just need a double mag pouch.

For IPSC, you want at least 5 mags. I would recommend having 6 (one as a Barney mag), the 6th being a magnetic pouch which is very handy for table starts. Personally, I carry 9 mag pouches with me to matches 'cause it saves me a bunch of time running back to my bag to reload mags quickly.

Take up FoxAlpha's advice on practicing at home with your rig well in advance of your course. You don't want to be figuring that stuff out during your course. BUT look up good techniques on YouTube by some of the great competition shooters.
 
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Claven2 said:
So how many mags do I need to mount to a belt for IPSC?
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Some IPSC stages are 32 rounds, so you'll want at least three rules-compliant pouches. More magazines and more pouches = more flexibility (when it comes to timing your reloading).
 
Some good advice above.

I like to run with 6 mags on my IPSC belt. 5 adjustable CR speed mag pouches and 1 magnet for quick mag pick-ups off a table start. But I started out with 3 basic double Bladetech mag pouches. They're reasonably priced and worked fine for me when I was testing the IPSC waters and Nowadays i use them on my 3 Gun rig. And they'll work for you in Idpa as well.

One thing you might keep in mind with the work you are doing on your Glock is that the first trigger pull in Production division has to be at least 5 lbs. Once my 5" Walther PPQ trigger pull dropped a hair below 5 lbs with use it was no longer IPSC Production legal and became my 3 Gun pistol.
 
I can definitely push it well up over 5 if I need to by putting a standard connector back in, no sweat.

What I'm not clear on:

If I need at least 5 mags, does that mean 5 mag holders, or 4 holders and one in the gun?

And for a magnetic holder, will a Glock mag stay put with the plastic liner over it?
 
Yes you will need 5 mag pouches at a minimum, ghost pouches are cheap and work very well.

An OEM glock mag with a metal lining will stay put on a strong magnet. You can simply glue a magnet to a standard mag pouch or buy Buy one with it already.

Also you may want to look into getting a 9mm barrel and mags unless you're set on 40 cal.
 
jlostracco said:
Yes you will need 5 mag pouches at a minimum, ghost pouches are cheap and work very well.

An OEM glock mag with a metal lining will stay put on a strong magnet. You can simply glue a magnet to a standard mag pouch or buy Buy one with it already.

Also you may want to look into getting a 9mm barrel and mags unless you're set on 40 cal.
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I may get the 9mm bbl, but that would push me from Production or Limited into Standard, wouldn't it?
 
Claven2 said:
I may get the 9mm bbl, but that would push me from Production or Limited into Standard, wouldn't it?
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A 9mm barrel in a Glock 22 would bump you out of production. You could shoot it in Standard or Open if you declare that before you start but if you start out in production and get caught with the 9mm barrel in the Glock 22, you'll be in Open.
 
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Claven2 said:
I may get the 9mm bbl, but that would push me from Production or Limited into Standard, wouldn't it?
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First mistake: reading the rule book. Real men get bumped to open.

Your next problem is deciding if you're going with awesome bullets out or boring old bullets forward. The latter will let you use any old mag pouch.
 
Bullets out has your mags mounted so the bullets point away from you versus conventional which has the bullets in your mags running parallel to your body.

Depending on your mag pouches, bullets out allows you to bunch them up closer which is helpful if you have a small waist and real-estate is a premium. Another school of through is that it is more efficient because you remove the mag and no longer have to orientate them to your magwell.

Here's my IPSC rig with bullets out: 4 standard DAA Racer pouches, one large magnet in the front (I can slap two mags from a table pickup on it) and a bullets out mag pouch in last position that holds my Barney mag. Glock mags stick to the magnet securely as well.

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Freedom Ventures said:
A 9mm barrel in a Glock 22 would bump you out of production. You could shoot it in Standard or Open if you declare that before you start but if you start out in production and get caught with the 9mm barrel in the Glock 22, you'll be in Open.
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If it was a glock OEM barrel would it not be OK?

I guess I should open up the rule book every once in a while :d
 
Claven2 said:
I can definitely push it well up over 5 if I need to by putting a standard connector back in, no sweat.

What I'm not clear on:

If I need at least 5 mags, does that mean 5 mag holders, or 4 holders and one in the gun?

And for a magnetic holder, will a Glock mag stay put with the plastic liner over it?
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I have been doing IPSC for about 5 years now and I have never used more than 4 mag holders. Although, if you are starting loaded I recommend loading your initial mag from your back pocket, giving you four more on the belt. Also, if you do run into a stage that you think you may need more mags I like the versatility a mag magnet provides. Most are big enough you can stick two mags to them and it also may give you a leg up if you run into a stage where you have to start with your mags off your belt as you can quickly pick up a couple and slap them on your magnet. I don't know for sure if a Glock mag will work with it but I am confident it will, they are fairly strong magnets.

Not saying you have to use this brand but some examples:
https://www.freedomventures.ca/products/cr-speed-magnetic-magazine-pouch
https://www.freedomventures.ca/products/cr-speed-versa-magnetic-side-kit
 
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^^ The Glock mags sticks to my DAA magnetic pouch really well. I've given it a good shake with a loaded mag and it does not fall off.

Would that CR Speed pouch with the magnet mounted to the outside be IPSC legal? It would be more than 50mm away from your torso, no? A RO pointed that out to my buddy who had a DAA Race Master with a magnet mounted on the outer side and said that with a mag attached to it, it exceeds the 50mm rule. I was also told that sticking a mag (full or empty) in your front pocket will put you in Open.
 
Trinimon said:
Would that CR Speed pouch with the magnet mounted to the outside be IPSC legal? It would be more than 50mm away from your torso, no? .
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Yes, it probably would be too far away from your body - however if you start the stage with no mag on it, and then put a mag on it that you picked up along the stage, (which is what it's designed for) - you're just fine.

Magnets are really for "pickup" stages; stages where the WSB says your mags are not on your body when you start.
Regular pouches work far better than magnets for regular stages where everything is on your belt to start.
 
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