I'd eventually like to get a dedicated benchrest 22. I know the anschutz 54 action such as 1913 and 54.30 fit the bill. Is there anything else that I should look at? I know the customs will generally out perform factory offerings from anschutz but that's a little tougher to get in Canada. I currently have a anschutz 1416 (model 64) and a 1903 (model 64) and would like some ideas for a future paper puncher.
Benchrest 22
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Within past year or so, I picked up a Schultz and Larsen Model 61 "free rifle" and a Schultz and Larsen Model 70 on the EE. Quite old school technology. Am told the M61 no longer used at World or Olympic levels since 1970's (?) - that Anschutz and others now make "better". You would have to be Olympic level shooter, though, I think, to be able to tell. The free rifle is about 50 meter bullseyes only - not set up for scope, aperture sights are off set to left of barrel centre line, so really for 50 meters only. I guess neither of them were actually "bench rest" rifles - were made for the position shooting competitions. Must have been very strong men and women competitors in position events - that M61 is about 15 pounds or so. Just the rear sight assembly is about a pound, by itself.
That's good to know. The price should be comparable between the two as well depending on stock and trigger for the vudoo. What would you say your 50 yard accuracy would be with these rifles?
I am still ammo testing with both as the availability of good lots of match ammo is variable. Both shoot half inch all day long and are capable of quarter inch when I do my part and using good ammo. The Anschutz is strongly built and the quality of fit and finish is incredible. It is a more elegant rifle. The Vudoo is built like a tank and action is so smooth. Fit and finish is also second to none. To me it is like comparing a Ferrarri and a Lamborghini. Which do you like better ?
Gilbert
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OK so that's not that much different from my Annies but definitely could be once you find the ammo it likes
no matter what you decide upon you have to ask yourself what is good enough? anyone who shoots rimfire are at the mercy of the manufactures QC department
i shoot a savage mark ii with the Sporter barrel - good enough at 50 yards
i shoot a savage mark ii with the Sporter barrel - good enough at 50 yards
If you are looking at 50 yard accuracy, there is a thread devoted to that. I think it's something like "my 22 shoots 1/2in at 50 yards" or something along those lines. Last I checked the annies and the CZs where the most populous in that list. I don't think there are many Vudoos yet (relatively new and not as numerous yet). From my experience, annies are decent (at least the older ones I've used), love my CZ, wish I had a Vudoo.
Yeah my one Annie is on there and once I upload the pictures the second one will be
Basically, you'd have to "get lucky" with another factory rifle to improve on those results. Vudoo's seem to be getting really good results, they come at a hefty price though. You could take one of your 64 Annies and put a custom barrel on it, in my opinion that would give you the best value on accuracy improvements for money spent. I've got an IBI barrel on it's way to me, need to order some tooling so in a few months I should have something to post about.
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- Okanagan Valley B.C.
I am still ammo testing with both as the availability of good lots of match ammo is variable. Both shoot half inch all day long and are capable of quarter inch when I do my part and using good ammo. The Anschutz is strongly built and the quality of fit and finish is incredible. It is a more elegant rifle. The Vudoo is built like a tank and action is so smooth. Fit and finish is also second to none. To me it is like comparing a Ferrarri and a Lamborghini. Which do you like better ?
Gilbert
Gilbert , you have 2 leg wetter guns ..
Yes , that sums it up man ... xlnt... skwerl
I was going to begin my previous post with the following, but it ended up taking an different course than I first anticipated.
The most important thing that anyone considering a rifle for precision shooting must understand is that there is no rifle that will outshoot the ammo it's given. This means that no matter how good or expensive a rifle may be, it will not make inconsistent ammo turn into consistent ammo. If the ammo is not up to the job, no custom-made rifle, no Vudoo, no Anschutz, no Walther or no other rifle can make it do something it can't do.
Even with a custom rig or an expensive off-the-shelf model it is still necessary to find the best lots of ammo for that particular rifle. It's never find the brand your rifle likes. It's always find the lot your rifle likes.
The most important thing that anyone considering a rifle for precision shooting must understand is that there is no rifle that will outshoot the ammo it's given. This means that no matter how good or expensive a rifle may be, it will not make inconsistent ammo turn into consistent ammo. If the ammo is not up to the job, no custom-made rifle, no Vudoo, no Anschutz, no Walther or no other rifle can make it do something it can't do.
Even with a custom rig or an expensive off-the-shelf model it is still necessary to find the best lots of ammo for that particular rifle. It's never find the brand your rifle likes. It's always find the lot your rifle likes.
Within Rimfire BR there is also a class for sporting rifle or hunter class.
Our rules require it be shot with a bipod the can be folded away, must have a magazine capacity but may be fired single shot.
For our 100 metre shoots, BR, hunter, semi-auto, target rifle, Precision rimfire (timed) and 17 HMR.
Our rules require it be shot with a bipod the can be folded away, must have a magazine capacity but may be fired single shot.
For our 100 metre shoots, BR, hunter, semi-auto, target rifle, Precision rimfire (timed) and 17 HMR.
I have no experience with Coopers
My Coopers are both 57M's. One is a Jackson Squirrel Rifle and the other a Montana Varminter.
The JSR has a light barrel and the trigger set down to about one pound.
The Montana has a 6 oz. Jard trigger.
Both are capable of under one inch at 100 yards/metres and both qualify for Hunter class.
My stash of ammo is Remington Eley Match with a velocity of 1062 was tested for the Remington 40XBR and it works well enough in the Coopers until it runs out and then I will test lots in all three rifles.
Four 5-shot groups with the Montana to sight in after testing some non-match ammo produced groups of 0.99, 0.92, 1.42 (one dropped out of the group) and 0.61.
The test targets for both rifles are bug holes but the exact ammo used is not divulged. I have tested difference lots of CenterX and none have produced. The exact chamber is also not divulged.
The chamber in the Remington was cut to the Eley Match specs.
Of the two Coopers, I would keep the JSR after dropping the JARD trigger out of the Montana and making the switch.
The JSR has a light barrel and the trigger set down to about one pound.
The Montana has a 6 oz. Jard trigger.
Both are capable of under one inch at 100 yards/metres and both qualify for Hunter class.
My stash of ammo is Remington Eley Match with a velocity of 1062 was tested for the Remington 40XBR and it works well enough in the Coopers until it runs out and then I will test lots in all three rifles.
Four 5-shot groups with the Montana to sight in after testing some non-match ammo produced groups of 0.99, 0.92, 1.42 (one dropped out of the group) and 0.61.
The test targets for both rifles are bug holes but the exact ammo used is not divulged. I have tested difference lots of CenterX and none have produced. The exact chamber is also not divulged.
The chamber in the Remington was cut to the Eley Match specs.
Of the two Coopers, I would keep the JSR after dropping the JARD trigger out of the Montana and making the switch.
