Berdan Primed Surplus Ammo

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I will be purchasing some Czech surplus Berdan primed 7.62.54R ammo in the near future. I know it is corrosive, so I know I have to clean the rifle out everytime I use it. I was just reading that not just any cleaner will do. My question is, will my Canadian Tire bought "Nitro Solvent Bore Cleaner" or my Bass Pro bought "Bore Scrubber" do the job?
 
Every time this crap/corrosive ammo topic comes up I shake my head....why? because it seems to me that it would be easier to just reload my own ammo, and not have to worry about corrosive ammo, squib loads with bullet lodged in barrel, bad primers, inconsistant supply of ammo, etc. The learning curve can't be any longer, the time it takes can't be any longer...how many guns get wrecked/damaged due to this substandard ammo...if rapid firing, as some due with these mil. type rifles, how do you stop yourself from shooting another shell when the previous bullet lodged in barrel? By taking time and learning curve I'm talking about cleaning it perfectly or learning how to do so!
 
I have been cleaning it everytime :). I just don't use highly corrosive cleaners. I was just wondering if there are any different techniques for this corrosive stuff.
 
Maxable said:
I have been cleaning it everytime :). I just don't use highly corrosive cleaners. I was just wondering if there are any different techniques for this corrosive stuff.
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The corrosive element in surplus ammo is salt. Salt is water soluable. The easiest cleaning method is to run a couple of litres of boiling water down the barrel. This dissolves the salt and the heat of the water causes the barrel to dry itself. Then clean and oil as normal. Windex with ammonia also will work, but use lots and scrub till the patches come out clean or it will not get it all. I find the water techniqe the most reliable. Some have said that foaming bore cleaners will do the trick as well (wipe out, ect) but I haven't tried them.

Go forth and shoot your stinky ammo!:dancingbanana:
 
Why, is because its no problem to load enough for a rifle, BUT when you are using a 30rd mag, a 47 round drum, or a 250 round belt, (and I have all three) surplus ammo is the way to go.;)
 
John Sukey said:
Why, is because its no problem to load enough for a rifle, BUT when you are using a 30rd mag, a 47 round drum, or a 250 round belt, (and I have all three) surplus ammo is the way to go.;)
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Sigh, oh yeah, you live in the land of the free. B@#T@#D! (translation, boy I"m jealous)
 
lol, you would rub it in, wouldn't ya. Anyways, I'm a University student with a full time job, so I don't have the money or time to reload my own stuff. I would like to someday though. For the meantime, cheap surplus will do!
 
just clean with clp or hopps i NEVER EVER use water windex or anything else eveyone on here says you need Ive put close to 2000 rnds thru my vz58 sometimes i left for a week or 2 before cleaning and guess what NO rust no one bit

do you think those guys fighting in Africa clean thier akm's daily? i think not
 
ben hunchak said:
Every time this crap/corrosive ammo topic comes up I shake my head....why? because it seems to me that it would be easier to just reload my own ammo, and not have to worry about corrosive ammo, squib loads with bullet lodged in barrel, bad primers, inconsistant supply of ammo, etc. The learning curve can't be any longer, the time it takes can't be any longer...how many guns get wrecked/damaged due to this substandard ammo...if rapid firing, as some due with these mil. type rifles, how do you stop yourself from shooting another shell when the previous bullet lodged in barrel? By taking time and learning curve I'm talking about cleaning it perfectly or learning how to do so!
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reloading your own ammo does not shield you from squibs, double charges, bad primers etc. Nor does buying commercial ammo. You can KB yourself plenty by reloading if you are not careful, and underloaded commercial rounds do happen.

As for milsurp ammo being "substandard", other than the PoF .303, I don't know of any. And that PoF in its days was probably plenty fine - it probably went bad later, and thus they sold it ;)

I would even hazard a guess that there have been more KBed guns from reloading mistakes then milsurp malfunctions.
 
Proutfoo said:
As for milsurp ammo being "substandard", other than the PoF .303, I don't know of any. And that PoF in its days was probably plenty fine - it probably went bad later, and thus they sold it ;)
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I had a case of 8mm back in the day that was total junk. Not sure of the origin but it could have been Turk.

Even smacking it with 3 pounds of open-bolt Bren steel couldn't get more than 50% of the rounds to fire.:runaway:

I suspect it was a storage issue more than the original quality of the ammo.
 
Speaking of 8mm "junk"

You want to avoid that steel case WW2 stuff. The cases are often rusted internally. A friend was pulling the bullets on a batch to make dummy rounds for sale to the japs, and the cases often seperated in the MIDDLE, leaving the bullet firmily rusted in the neck!
 
contact148 said:
just clean with clp or hopps i NEVER EVER use water windex or anything else eveyone on here says you need Ive put close to 2000 rnds thru my vz58 sometimes i left for a week or 2 before cleaning and guess what NO rust no one bit

do you think those guys fighting in Africa clean thier akm's daily? i think not
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Dosen't a VZ 58 have a chrome bore? And have you seen some of the akm's that get picked up over there? The reason they just hold them over the wall and hose out a mag is because for the most part they don't have much rifling left. Anything steel will rust, chrome bores won't, but the gas system can if it's not all chrome lined. (ussually just the piston is) You've been lucky so far......
 
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