Berdan primers 6504?

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Does anyone know of a Canadian company that carries the larger 6504 berdan primers for the 54r
I know about dominion at CA but they are for x39
Thanks
 
I have been unable to locate them, so i gave up and got some brass that takes boxer primers, not that brass is easy to find either but it was easier than the berdan primers.
 
I had the same question.

I found these guys make primer for 54r (KV-27N):
Large Rifle - KV-27N - 6,47 - For 7,62х51; 7,62х54 cartridges
http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/

This is what they say about their Canadian distributor:
Thank you for your letter.
We cooperate with company from Canada:
“DISCO-TECH INDUSTRIES INC.”,
103 Bowser Avenue, North Vancouver, BC, Canada V7P 3H1
Tel: 604-985-8324
Oleg Bari <oleg@disco-tech.ca>
You can contact them.

Best regards,
Olga
тел.: +(49234)6-08-85
e-mail: ved@mpzflame.ru
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I have not called yet. Maybe you can call them and let us all know?
 
CanAm said:
Yes, but is that the size your brass takes? 6.47 is the size for current russian steel cased ammo
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I measured several berdan primed cases today:

7.62x54R Chinese Surplus, copper washed case head stamp (11, 19) primer pocket size 5.48~5.50mm (looks like this will take 5.5mm primer - KV-24N)
7.62x54R S&B packed in 20 pack white paper box (probably chinese stuff repackaged?), copper washed case, head stamp (reverse 19, 67) - primer picket size 6.50mm (looks like this will take 6.47mm KV-27N primer).

For fun sake I also measured 7.62x39:
7.62x39, Chinese surplus, copper washed case, head stamp (reversed 70, 1996), primer pocket size 5.46~5.50 (also looks like it takes 5.5mm primer).
7.62x39, Hornady, steel case, grey lacquer paint, head stamp (HMC, 7.62x39), primer pocket size >5.8mm, probably proprietary stuff.

Can you school me on the difference between primer of the same diameter? i.e. what's the difference between KV-24N and KV-7,62N? or between KV-27N and KV-308N? Do they have different height? Are they interchangeable one way or another?

From canada ammo's website, looks like the one available right now is 5.5mm size, KV-24N? Any hope we get some 6.47mm primer coming in? I think this would be equivalent of small rifle primer (KV24N) vs large rifle primer (KV27N) in Russian cartridge.
 
As far as KV-24N and KV-7,62N go - primer cup depth that takes the primer is the difference. The primer may match by diameter but end up protruding out of the case or seating too deeply. I never got to play with others.
 
diegocn said:
I measured several berdan primed cases today:

7.62x54R Chinese Surplus, copper washed case head stamp (11, 19) primer pocket size 5.48~5.50mm (looks like this will take 5.5mm primer - KV-24N)
7.62x54R S&B packed in 20 pack white paper box (probably chinese stuff repackaged?), copper washed case, head stamp (reverse 19, 67) - primer picket size 6.50mm (looks like this will take 6.47mm KV-27N primer).

For fun sake I also measured 7.62x39:
7.62x39, Chinese surplus, copper washed case, head stamp (reversed 70, 1996), primer pocket size 5.46~5.50 (also looks like it takes 5.5mm primer).
7.62x39, Hornady, steel case, grey lacquer paint, head stamp (HMC, 7.62x39), primer pocket size >5.8mm, probably proprietary stuff.

Can you school me on the difference between primer of the same diameter? i.e. what's the difference between KV-24N and KV-7,62N? or between KV-27N and KV-308N? Do they have different height? Are they interchangeable one way or another?

From canada ammo's website, looks like the one available right now is 5.5mm size, KV-24N? Any hope we get some 6.47mm primer coming in? I think this would be equivalent of small rifle primer (KV24N) vs large rifle primer (KV27N) in Russian cartridge.
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The 6.47 primers are not approved. We would need to see demand to go through the process. There are hundreds of differences such as foil, priming compound shape/size, cup thickness, primer shape, etc
 
CanAm said:
The 6.47 primers are not approved. We would need to see demand to go through the process. There are hundreds of differences such as foil, priming compound shape/size, cup thickness, primer shape, etc
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I understand the reason you guys can't bring them in at the moment.

Out of curiosity, what kind of demand would justify going through the process? i.e. for 5.5mm primer, what do people buy them for? Were you guys selling more or less than you would expect originally?

I would have thought that the top reason people are buying berdan primers are to load either steel cased 7.62x54r (in my case), or things like GP11, 303 brit, 7.62x51 NATO surplus. I don't see how people would reload steel cased 7.62x39 (which uses the KV-24N you carry) just because how inexpensive they are.

Also out of curiosity, do you know any source that sells 7.62x54R surplus that takes 5.5mm primer?
 
diegocn said:
I understand the reason you guys can't bring them in at the moment.

Out of curiosity, what kind of demand would justify going through the process? i.e. for 5.5mm primer, what do people buy them for? Were you guys selling more or less than you would expect originally?

I would have thought that the top reason people are buying berdan primers are to load either steel cased 7.62x54r (in my case), or things like GP11, 303 brit, 7.62x51 NATO surplus. I don't see how people would reload steel cased 7.62x39 (which uses the KV-24N you carry) just because how inexpensive they are.

Also out of curiosity, do you know any source that sells 7.62x54R surplus that takes 5.5mm primer?
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We do plan on bringing in the KV7.62 if that works for you. 99% of the demand for these is the GP11 brass

I have seem smaller and larger primers in 54r, but can't think off hand which take which

The KV24N was imported for our own use, and we sell it as well
 
CanAm said:
We do plan on bringing in the KV7.62 if that works for you. 99% of the demand for these is the GP11 brass

I have seem smaller and larger primers in 54r, but can't think off hand which take which

The KV24N was imported for our own use, and we sell it as well
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I would be interested in KV7.62 as well
 
wow this thread is resurrected after a year!

I have sinced bought a bunch of 54r brass and happy with them. I could still see the reloaded steel case would work on my svt40 though.

Regarding primer depth, if you are loading for mosin nagant, it's not as big of a deal as long as the primer does not protrude from the pocket. Then you can adjust the firing pin protrution on the bolt to match the primer seating depth.

IMO an efficient way to deprime berdan that is not messy (no water) is still the major barrier that prevents me from reloading those steel cases.
 
I have 4800 Dominion large rifle Berdan primers considering to part with，just too lazy to post them for sale. They work perfect in GP11 brass.
 
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