Beretta 1301 Mod 2 - What's Up With Canadian Versions?

[Painkillers]

It's a sticking point for that member. He always poo-poo's on semi auto's claiming they can only hold 5 rounds.
I was pointing out the fact that five 3" shells equals six 2 3/4's plus you get one on the lifter and one chambered.
I do agree with him that such limits on semis over pump shotguns is just dumb.

Richard. It's not a sticking point with me, and I don't poo-poo semi autos. Where do you get that from? The OP was asking why Canadian versions have a shorter mag tube than the exact same shotgun sold in the states. I suggested the reason is because of our mag limitations, but you seem to disagree...so please do elucidate...why pray tell does the Canadian version have a shorter mag tube if not for our magazine limitations?

 

[GimpyGolden]

Richard. It's not a sticking point with me, and I don't poo-poo semi autos. Where do you get that from? The OP was asking why Canadian versions have a shorter mag tube than the exact same shotgun sold in the states. I suggested the reason is because of our mag limitations, but you seem to disagree...so please do elucidate...why pray tell does the Canadian version have a shorter mag tube if not for our magazine limitations?

James actually
I am not going to go back digging through your posts here and elsewhere but you have stated there is no point running a semi in Canada due to mag limits and that a pump is as fast. You have stated the limit is 5 rounds which is technically correct but not the reality we live with when running 2 3/4" shells and a ghost load.

I'll give you that I am off original question but I did not steer us here, just followed the flow of the conversation.
For sure the Mod 2 is sold without the extension (by most dealers) because of limits, though it doesn't have to be should the dealer decide to block to not more then 5 rounds of 3" shells.

 

[GimpyGolden]

The 1301 has a 3" chamber. So, as thegazzelle says, the most the tube can hold is 5 rounds of 3" shells...which probably equates to 6, 2.75" shells. 6+1 if chambered. Ghost loading would be 6+2 and if you want to risk shooting your own foot off, or jamming the gun when you'd need it to work, you could load it that way I suppose? Or, if it's mag capacity you're looking for, just get a pump. It's really not that much slower.

Semi-auto centerfire=5 rounds. Kinda takes the allure out of a semi-auto shotgun, for me anyway.

ok I lied, I dug up two posts in this thread where you poo-poo semi auto's.
You prefer pumps, that is fine.
I've never seen a 1301 jam a ghost load, lesser semi's yes. As to shooting your foot off, that's on you.
I'm not going to argue on the speed between pump and semi as anyone can see that's a silly comparison
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Bottom line is on a 1301T we get 1 less round than the yanks with the extension blocked to 5.9 rounds of 3" shells.

 

[Painkillers]

ok I lied, I dug up two posts in this thread where you poo-poo semi auto's.
You prefer pumps, that is fine.
I've never seen a 1301 jam a ghost load, lesser semi's yes. As to shooting your foot off, that's on you.
I'm not going to argue on the speed between pump and semi as anyone can see that's a silly comparison
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Bottom line is on a 1301T we get 1 less round than the yanks with the extension blocked to 5.9 rounds of 3" shells.

...or, bottom line is the mag tube is shorter because of our mag limitations.

Now be a pet, run along and go waste someone else's time. Before we were crudely interrupted, the adults were talking.

 

[GimpyGolden]

...or, bottom line is the mag tube is shorter because of our mag limitations.

Now be a pet, run along and go waste someone else's time. Before we were crudely interrupted, the adults were talking.
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Of course that is why most dealers sell it with the shorter tube, no one is denying this.
Nice self portrait and, if I am wasting your time don't read or reply to my posts, better yet put me on 'ignore'

 

[Painkillers]

Of course that is why most dealers sell it with the shorter tube, no one is denying this.
Nice self portrait and, if I am wasting your time don't read or reply to my posts, better yet put me on 'ignore'

Done.

 

[Italian Sporting Goods]

I've gone to 3-gun shoots before with a shotgun set up the way most of us agree should be legal but it's still questionable. The gun manufactures believe Canada's legal limit is 5rds of 2 3/4". It's actually a video I'd like to see Ian Runkel do to see what his opinion is.

 

[GimpyGolden]

I've gone to 3-gun shoots before with a shotgun set up the way most of us agree should be legal but it's still questionable. The gun manufactures believe Canada's legal limit is 5rds of 2 3/4". It's actually a video I'd like to see Ian Runkel do to see what his opinion is.

Are others considering it questionable because your setup puts them at a disadvantage?
The law is 5 rounds in the magazine of whatever length shell the gun is chambered for, says nothing about shorter shells. The lifter or "ghost load" is not part of the magazine and one in the chamber applies no matter the action.

You could jam a bunch of mini shells in a mag tube, sure the Lib's won't like it but the law is the law and they wrote em.
I don't see where it's questionable unless it's from someone who can't get a ghost load or didn't (legally) max out their extension as they're then at a disadvantage.

 

[thegazelle]

So just an update...I ended up going to Tactical Ordnance (amazing outfit) and Casey put on an RMR mount (TacOrd one, which was more than I needed - didn't need more expensive ones) for my newly acquired 507c x2 (which I later realized it would have been cheaper to buy the red dot directly from him as opposed to my local retailer), mounted it and I also got a Nordic Components mag tube extension, which he put on for me as well along with barrel clamp and gasket (add-on). I also got a rear half ring aperture to co-witness. Everything looks great and he did a great job while I waited.

It is interesting - I was talking with him about the mag tube plug. So the front of the tube is flush with the end of the barrel, but there is an aluminum rod that is permanently on the NC end cap. That conforms to the legal limit. He actually said TacOrd supplies other retailers so they would be better the same thing. If a retailer sold the kit without having a permanent plug, the buyer may unknowingly be installing something that puts them over the mag tube limit (which appears to be 5 x 3" shells, and I guess before 5.9 shells of 2.75" could fit, but now it is 6 shells in the tube for 2.75" but the 3" shells is still max 5).

Anyways, the barrel clamp has a short picatinny section for which I can hang a light. I was hoping I can swing a tape switch with the light but there is nowhere to secure it, unless I zip tie it directly to the handguard, which will look uggggggly... I want to be able to turn the light on and off with finger or thumb, while my two hands are holding the handguard and stock respectively. It is really too bad this version didn't have the MLOK handguard - that would have allowed both the placement of the light and tape switch in an optimal position.

 

[Painkillers]

So just an update...I ended up going to Tactical Ordnance (amazing outfit) and Casey put on an RMR mount (TacOrd one, which was more than I needed - didn't need more expensive ones) for my newly acquired 507c x2 (which I later realized it would have been cheaper to buy the red dot directly from him as opposed to my local retailer), mounted it and I also got a Nordic Components mag tube extension, which he put on for me as well along with barrel clamp and gasket (add-on). I also got a rear half ring aperture to co-witness. Everything looks great and he did a great job while I waited.

It is interesting - I was talking with him about the mag tube plug. So the front of the tube is flush with the end of the barrel, but there is an aluminum rod that is permanently on the NC end cap. That conforms to the legal limit. He actually said TacOrd supplies other retailers so they would be better the same thing. If a retailer sold the kit without having a permanent plug, the buyer may unknowingly be installing something that puts them over the mag tube limit (which appears to be 5 x 3" shells, and I guess before 5.9 shells of 2.75" could fit, but now it is 6 shells in the tube for 2.75" but the 3" shells is still max 5).

Anyways, the barrel clamp has a short picatinny section for which I can hang a light. I was hoping I can swing a tape switch with the light but there is nowhere to secure it, unless I zip tie it directly to the handguard, which will look uggggggly... I want to be able to turn the light on and off with finger or thumb, while my two hands are holding the handguard and stock respectively. It is really too bad this version didn't have the MLOK handguard - that would have allowed both the placement of the light and tape switch in an optimal position.

Two way tape? Adhesive?

 

[The_Sicilian]

So just an update...I ended up going to Tactical Ordnance (amazing outfit) and Casey put on an RMR mount (TacOrd one, which was more than I needed - didn't need more expensive ones) for my newly acquired 507c x2 (which I later realized it would have been cheaper to buy the red dot directly from him as opposed to my local retailer), mounted it and I also got a Nordic Components mag tube extension, which he put on for me as well along with barrel clamp and gasket (add-on). I also got a rear half ring aperture to co-witness. Everything looks great and he did a great job while I waited.

It is interesting - I was talking with him about the mag tube plug. So the front of the tube is flush with the end of the barrel, but there is an aluminum rod that is permanently on the NC end cap. That conforms to the legal limit. He actually said TacOrd supplies other retailers so they would be better the same thing. If a retailer sold the kit without having a permanent plug, the buyer may unknowingly be installing something that puts them over the mag tube limit (which appears to be 5 x 3" shells, and I guess before 5.9 shells of 2.75" could fit, but now it is 6 shells in the tube for 2.75" but the 3" shells is still max 5).

Anyways, the barrel clamp has a short picatinny section for which I can hang a light. I was hoping I can swing a tape switch with the light but there is nowhere to secure it, unless I zip tie it directly to the handguard, which will look uggggggly... I want to be able to turn the light on and off with finger or thumb, while my two hands are holding the handguard and stock respectively. It is really too bad this version didn't have the MLOK handguard - that would have allowed both the placement of the light and tape switch in an optimal position.

Nice! Those mods are exactly what I have in mind and King is not crazy far from me. Looks like I will be connecting with Casey soon. Thanks for sharing. I do plan to swap out the hand guard at some point as well.

 

[thegazelle]

Nice! Those mods are exactly what I have in mind and King is not crazy far from me. Looks like I will be connecting with Casey soon. Thanks for sharing. I do plan to swap out the hand guard at some point as well.

Casey is superb. Nice guy and high integrity. Does not cut corners, has exceptional attention to detail, and just a very humble, knowledgeable guy.
I actually had considered previously to get a bigger sight - a Holosun 510. Thank goodness I did not - Casey brought one out and it was a tank. He said on a non-mod 2, the original screws to hold the picatinny are very poor. Looks like Mod2 changed that too, but in my case, I got the TacOrd RMR mount. They had the Airidus industries (sp) one for more, but for me, being both cheap and practical, a mount is a mount (I know that is probably not true, but that's the story I am telling myself and sticking to it).

The only downside with the barrel clamp is that the light I want to get (Streamlight HP Pro X or something like that) with the tape switch, will protrude way past the barrel and magazine tube. It will probably look unsightly and I don't think there's a way to adjust the mounting points as the clamp on the flashlight appears to be fixed (rightfully so, centered). I thought only for a brief moment to attach something else to that rail piece and then attach the light to the secondary rail but that is probably not a good idea as now the weight of the light will be not distributed properly, not to mention, it will protrude beyond looking ugly. Not sure if there are lights at exist that are a smaller footprint, but come with a tape switch.

Just a note that the original factory magazine spring was used with the new - he did not use the Nordic Components one. I left it in the bag with the original end up and spring retainer (due to the aluminum rod not being able to coexist with the end cap, not that it really matters, except just need to be cognizant of the spring just popping out when the end cap is off.

You can see the changes on my 1301 in the photo. I love the work Tactical Ordnance did. Just need a decent flashlight with a tape switch that fits with the small picatinny rail on that barrel clamp near the muzzle.

 

[The_Sicilian]

That all sounds great. I will be interested to see what you come up with for a light since that is something I am planning to add as well. Share a pic when you have it all set up, would love to see it.

 

[thegazelle]

The Holosun red dot made all the difference in the world. I felt like Annie Oakley with my 1301 this afternoon (dead nuts accurate with slugs at 25 yards), unlike with the peep/onboard sight last time I felt like Krusty the Clown and was fortunate to even hit paper!