Beretta UGB25 excel
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I'd love to get my hands on one of those, seems like a very interesting design.
there seems to be a lot of these guns showing up used right now, I had seen a few people use them for a few thousand rounds and then they got rid of them. They said it is impossible to get parts for them. Just something to think about, they started at a price of over 4200$ and now dealers cant get rid of them. seen them new for under 2000$.
I have a trap and sporting version. I love both of them. I've shot probably close to 10,000 through each. The trap has given me no problems, the sporting had to go to the smith for a trigger polish after about 5,000. Since then no issues. No parts required. Brownells stocks a full set of parts for these guns and ships them to Canada.
They do have quite a few parts to them. So any issues that do develop might be difficult to diagnose but mine have been good and Gunco in Ottawa has experience with them.
They do have quite a few parts to them. So any issues that do develop might be difficult to diagnose but mine have been good and Gunco in Ottawa has experience with them.
SEEN. was a couple months ago some place near ottawa, he said something about low interest in them and couldn't get rid of em. I still see them cheaper then that, but they are used and around 1800$
They were closed out by Beretta USA at $2000 through one of their dealers. I have never seen one for sale in the Ottawa area. Some made it to Canada and were also sold at that price. Beretta Canada sold them at $4300. They could not make inroads into the US market. The American Market couldn't get around the $$ for a two shot semi. It is a competition gun with good wood and unique action. The bore axis is low in the gun because there is no magazine for the second shell. There is nearly no recoil or muzzle jump which allows for a fast second shot. It ejects out the bottom so it's good in 5 stand and trap.
It's designed more for international bunker trap than ATA trap. So it's rib is designed for flatter shooting. My trap gun is configured for low mount skeet shooting, the stock is in a parallel comb config and set to a height that is good for rising targets. My best with it is 97 out of 100.
The sporting is a conventional stock and shoots about 60/40 at 16yrds. I use it for five stand,sporting clays and ATA trap.
Both stocks come with the Beretta shim system. This allows the stocks to be either cast on or off. It also allows the drop at comb to be varied in 5mm increments.
It's designed more for international bunker trap than ATA trap. So it's rib is designed for flatter shooting. My trap gun is configured for low mount skeet shooting, the stock is in a parallel comb config and set to a height that is good for rising targets. My best with it is 97 out of 100.
The sporting is a conventional stock and shoots about 60/40 at 16yrds. I use it for five stand,sporting clays and ATA trap.
Both stocks come with the Beretta shim system. This allows the stocks to be either cast on or off. It also allows the drop at comb to be varied in 5mm increments.
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I picked one up some time ago, used it for a summer and found that I didn't really care for the semi-auto action. For my tastes, too much stuff moving around. Plenty of people like semi-autos, so that's just me. Another fellow asked about them, and this is what I wrote to him about 2 years ago:
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They have their quirks. I bought one recently on a whim and have now (mostly) satisfied my curiosity.
They are fairly heavy (compared with my Browning Broadway Trap gun) at 8.5 to 9.0 pounds. The version that I have has the 28" barrel and the adjustable cheek piece stock. The range of motion on the cheekpiece will suit most people. The recoil pad is also fully adjustable, although not so much as a Morgan adjustable pad. The length of pull is easily adjustable, which is nice. There is also provision for adjusting cast-on/cast-off of the stock at the wrist via the use of special spacers which should be included with the gun. Also, the wood on my gun is pretty nice with some decent figure.
The action itself is quite complicated. I would sincerely recommend that you do not buy the gun unless it comes with the manual. The manual is half an inch thick and I would suggest you read it. There is a lot of specific information on how to disassemble the gun, how to clean it, how to adjust it, etc.
Many people on the web say that the gun is extremely difficult to disassemble. This is actually not true. It is easy and quick, provided that you understand how it works. It takes me 10 seconds to take my Browning apart, and perhaps 20 seconds to take the Beretta down. You just have to do it the right way... and practice it a bit.
I shoot the Beretta fairly well, although it took some time to get used to it (and I am not all the way there yet). I still like my Browning better, but that is just me. I've put close to 40 thousand rounds through the Browning and it feels like it's a part of me.
The only quirks with the Beretta are that the but pad fell off during a registered shoot (only happened once), but of course, it took only about 15 seconds to put it back on as it is held in place with a sliding spring clip. Also, the chokes in my gun tend to work loose after a few hundred rounds.
One more annoying thing is that there is no shell-catcher available yet, and I'd rather just drop my empties in the bin provided (or a vest pocket) instead of scrabbling around on the ground for them. They do, however, eject uniformly a little in front of your feet rather than across at the person next to you.
There is another fellow at the club and he really likes his. I have not shot doubles with mine, but I have watched him shoot doubles and the UGB functions flawlessly in transfering the second round from the side clip into the chamber.
I would strongly recommend that you find one to try first if you can. I had very rarely shot an autoloader before buying the UGB and it was a big change at first. If you shoot an autoloader already, then perhaps it would be easier for you to adapt.
Good luck!
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They have their quirks. I bought one recently on a whim and have now (mostly) satisfied my curiosity.
They are fairly heavy (compared with my Browning Broadway Trap gun) at 8.5 to 9.0 pounds. The version that I have has the 28" barrel and the adjustable cheek piece stock. The range of motion on the cheekpiece will suit most people. The recoil pad is also fully adjustable, although not so much as a Morgan adjustable pad. The length of pull is easily adjustable, which is nice. There is also provision for adjusting cast-on/cast-off of the stock at the wrist via the use of special spacers which should be included with the gun. Also, the wood on my gun is pretty nice with some decent figure.
The action itself is quite complicated. I would sincerely recommend that you do not buy the gun unless it comes with the manual. The manual is half an inch thick and I would suggest you read it. There is a lot of specific information on how to disassemble the gun, how to clean it, how to adjust it, etc.
Many people on the web say that the gun is extremely difficult to disassemble. This is actually not true. It is easy and quick, provided that you understand how it works. It takes me 10 seconds to take my Browning apart, and perhaps 20 seconds to take the Beretta down. You just have to do it the right way... and practice it a bit.
I shoot the Beretta fairly well, although it took some time to get used to it (and I am not all the way there yet). I still like my Browning better, but that is just me. I've put close to 40 thousand rounds through the Browning and it feels like it's a part of me.
The only quirks with the Beretta are that the but pad fell off during a registered shoot (only happened once), but of course, it took only about 15 seconds to put it back on as it is held in place with a sliding spring clip. Also, the chokes in my gun tend to work loose after a few hundred rounds.
One more annoying thing is that there is no shell-catcher available yet, and I'd rather just drop my empties in the bin provided (or a vest pocket) instead of scrabbling around on the ground for them. They do, however, eject uniformly a little in front of your feet rather than across at the person next to you.
There is another fellow at the club and he really likes his. I have not shot doubles with mine, but I have watched him shoot doubles and the UGB functions flawlessly in transfering the second round from the side clip into the chamber.
I would strongly recommend that you find one to try first if you can. I had very rarely shot an autoloader before buying the UGB and it was a big change at first. If you shoot an autoloader already, then perhaps it would be easier for you to adapt.
Good luck!
I laugh when people tell me how hard they are to take apart. It demonstrates their fundamental lack of experience with the gun. I can strip them down quicker than any auto loader. This includes taking out the trigger group, bolt carrier and separating the barrel from the receiver. Maybe 30 seconds for the whole operation. I've heard people talk about the cycling of the action being a distraction but I've never noticed it in any significant way, I've certainly never missed a target because of it.
The lightest load I've shot without issue with the gun is Challenger 1oz 1200 light load and federal 24gm 1350fps.
Some super light reloads don't cycle the gun reliably. All international loads and above should have no issue. Also as it is a competition gun it has 2 3/4 chambers.
The action is superficially complicated. On close inspection it is pretty straight forward, the short recoil system propels the bolt carrier backwards and a recoil spring in the stock gets compressed. The spent shell is ejected out the bottom of the gun via a fixed ejector in the barrel assembly.
The bolt carrier resets the trigger group as it continues backwards, this is as per any normal semi. The twist comes at the end of the bolt carriers travel. Right at the end when the bolt carrier is as far back as it can go it releases an interlock on the side carrier. This releases the carrier to feed the second shell into the breach area for the bolt carrier to pick up on its forward motion.
One symptom of a short stroke is the first shell being ejected and the second siting in the carrier as if nothing had happened. This is due to the bolt carrier not releasing the interlock.
This has never happened with regular ammo with my trap gun but did happen with my sporting gun after about 5000 rounds. The trigger reset had become a little stiff on reset. Once the trigger mechanism was polished under warranty, I haven't had the problem since.
The lightest load I've shot without issue with the gun is Challenger 1oz 1200 light load and federal 24gm 1350fps.
Some super light reloads don't cycle the gun reliably. All international loads and above should have no issue. Also as it is a competition gun it has 2 3/4 chambers.
The action is superficially complicated. On close inspection it is pretty straight forward, the short recoil system propels the bolt carrier backwards and a recoil spring in the stock gets compressed. The spent shell is ejected out the bottom of the gun via a fixed ejector in the barrel assembly.
The bolt carrier resets the trigger group as it continues backwards, this is as per any normal semi. The twist comes at the end of the bolt carriers travel. Right at the end when the bolt carrier is as far back as it can go it releases an interlock on the side carrier. This releases the carrier to feed the second shell into the breach area for the bolt carrier to pick up on its forward motion.
One symptom of a short stroke is the first shell being ejected and the second siting in the carrier as if nothing had happened. This is due to the bolt carrier not releasing the interlock.
This has never happened with regular ammo with my trap gun but did happen with my sporting gun after about 5000 rounds. The trigger reset had become a little stiff on reset. Once the trigger mechanism was polished under warranty, I haven't had the problem since.
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