Bersa/Firestorms in Canada?

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Just curious, but are Bersa/Firestorms available in Canada?

These pistols remain under the radar here in the US, but people who actually own and shoot them love 'em.

I bought a Bersa Thunder 9 (Ultra Compact) just to see what all the hype on www.BersaTalk.com was about.

It has turned out to be a fine pistol.. Very accurate, 100% reliable. The CAT laser is made for the pistol (also in Argentina), and I bought one of those, and it's really nice. Low light/night conditions are really the CAT's forte', and I like the combo very much.

I think the "Ultra Compact" part is a bit of a stretch, but it's still a nice sized pistol, and can be carried concealed without too much difficulty. With the CAT attached I think it leaves the realm of "concealed firearm", and is more comfortable as a home protection, ect. type pistol.

The Bersa/Firestorms are very reasonably priced, and come with a lifetime warranty. My UC came with one 10rd mag, but a 13 rounder is available outside the US (to be sold here in 2006 I hear).

The only knock I've read on the Bersa/Firestorms is that extra magazines are quite pricy. I don't know why that is, but I've heard it mentioned more than once.

A couple of Bersa/Firestorms have been tested and reviewed on www.GunBlast.com, and the results were quite complimentary.

Just another option on the firearms market....

Best Wishes,
JP :D
 
most of the guns in the bersa line up have barrels that are too short to be legal in Canada....

aside from the high cap nodel...

but i don't think there is a bersa/llama distributer here in Canada
 
hr said:
most of the guns in the bersa line up have barrels that are too short to be legal in Canada....

aside from the high cap nodel...

but i don't think there is a bersa/llama distributer here in Canada
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Okay.. I'm not familiar with the particular nunances of the Canadian gun laws, but they seem similiar to the ones in Kalifornia here in the U.S.

Just for info, the "Llama" connection to Bersa was apparently only for a model 1911 Colt 45 semi-automatic clone, and Llama has in fact gone out of business just a few months ago. The Llama's quality was iffy, but the Bersa/Firestorms manufactured in Argentina are of very good quality.

Kind of a shame that the politicians won't just let law abiding gun owners have whatever firearms they desire for pleasure or defense.

But, we've got kinda the same deal here, and get pretty nervous ourselves when some tragedy occurs with a firearm that cranks up the anti-gunners hatred for private firearms ownership.

Guess I'll quit trying to give advice on individual firearms I've had experience with as I don't have a clue it it is one that is even allowed to be owned privately in Canada.

Best Wishes, and when you can vote the anti's out and vote in someone who understands that law abiding firearm owning citizens are not a threat.

JP :D
 
Laserlips, I, like you, live in the States and I can attest to Bersas as fine car/carry handguns. I own a fairly good sized herd of handguns and what do I use for car/carry guns? You are correct, I use a Bersa Thunder 45 during the week and a Bersa Thunder 380 on the weekends. The Bersa line offers a lot of bang for the buck. Regards, Richard :D
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space_ace said:
I wish I could get that .22 firestorm that sort of looks like a PPK. :cry: :cry: :cry: No go though as it would be a 12-6 as mentioned above.
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I have the Firestorm FS22 and it is a FINE little pistol. Looks like the cross between the PP and PPK but has an extended tang so slide bite is non-existant.

My Firestorm looks like the 2nd richardoldfield picture a couple of posts below this one. His might be a Bersa Thunder 380, as both pistols are identical with the exception of caliber, and also Firestorms have rounded trigger guards, wheras Bersa uses the squared off trigger guards.

I have owned a lot of pistols/revolvers in the past 40+ years, including many different 22's., and I think in the 22 caliber I have derived more pleasure out of the little Firestorm than any of them. It serves as a very accurate casual plinker, trail gun, backup personal defense firearm if necessary. I keep it stoked with 11 CCI Stingers, and feel quite safe with it while tramping thru the woods.

I will admit that if I run up on a Grizzly bear while in the woods I will be forced to shoot myself, as I know 11 rds. of 22 cal. won't impress the bear. But for rattlesnakes, feral dogs, etc., I'm good to go.


Shame you can't own what you want, but hey, Kalifornians and a few other liberal states have folks with the same problems.

Best Wishes.

J. Pomeroy :D
 
I have had a chance to shoot the Bersa Ultra Compact 45 when I was with my friends down south. Nice little pistol, fit's perfect in my small hands, but I find that its a little on the heavy side. Maybe I'm just use to the polymer framed pistols. Then again, I've shot their PPK in 380 and it was lighter than the Bersa. Then yet again, I'm not comparing apples to apples. :cry: I wish I had a 12(6).
 
I find the Bersa Thunder 9 (Ultra Compact) a bit hefty myself when compared to my Sig P239, but I just relegate it to "home protection" duty. After putting the CAT laser on it it's just a bit too bulky for personal carry, but excellent in the role I've given it.

We live in the country, and if I hear any "bump's" in the night that I have the courage to go check on I feel well armed with the BT9 laser equipped. I'm still waiting for the factory 13rd mags being released for sale in the US, and then I'll be even happier. I think 13+1 CorBons should be sufficient for anything I might encounter in the dark.

Basically the only wildlife I might come up on would only be a coyote, small black bear, small panther.. Even those are RARE.

Human predators are few and far between out here in the woods, as they know the great majority of landowners they encounter will be well armed. You simply don't go messing around farms without opening yourself up for getting shot for your trouble. In the event I think the noise is human related I keep a very nice High Standard 12ga. pump riot shotgun in the closet for just such rare situations.

Back to the theme of the thread, the Bersa Thunder 380 is in fact small, light, and very concealable. It seems to be a favorite of those men with small hands, or the ladies. You can buy a BT380 here in the US for around $200.00, and you get a lot of firearm for your money.

Best Wishes,
JP :D
 
The same firearm that cost you guys in the US $200 would be closer to $500 for us, and that if it is even gets up here. The brutal reality of gun ownership in Canada. :cry: Makes me sad.
 
Laserlips,
Human predators are few and far between out here in the woods, as they know the great majority of landowners they encounter will be well armed. You simply don't go messing around farms without opening yourself up for getting shot for your trouble. In the event I think the noise is human related I keep a very nice High Standard 12ga. pump riot shotgun in the closet for just such rare situations.
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justin1628,
The same firearm that cost you guys in the US $200 would be closer to $500 for us, and that if it is even gets up here. The brutal reality of gun ownership in Canada. Makes me sad.
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And not to mention that in Canada, openly admitting to grabbing a loaded piece in response to a bump in the night, will get you some time and loss of access for life. :D


Mahalo
 
Crack:

Help me out here. Why in the world would "grabbing a loaded piece in response to a bump in the night" get you in trouble? Lordy, seems your Canadian Gov't is more screwed up than I thought.

IF you live in a rural area, and IF you have a firearm, WHY would you not be able to use the firearm to protect yourself, family, AND/OR property?

I'm convinced one of the leading factors in the extremely LOW home invasion rate in the rural areas of the US IS because the bad guys know they face armed homeowners.

In my part of rural S. Georgia you simply DO NOT approach someones farm or residence in the country at night without some kind of obvious explanation. Wandering about someones private property at night is not a healthy thing to do.

I'm sorry to say I can't say the same about urban areas, and every town, large or small has an area where it's not safe for some folks, night or day. That fact is one reason a portion of the population driving in unknown areas keep a firearm with them in the vehicle.

Hey, guess in Canada you can always go on the assumption that "statistically" you probably won't be a victim... But I don't care to bet on the numbers to protect my wife, family and myself.

Therefore, I'm well armed. If and when things go bump in the night I will do whatever is necessary to protect that which I love, and if worse comes to worse I'll get a good lawyer, and am more than willing to face 12 of my peers in a courtroom if need be.

Before I sound too "wacko" I must say I would NEVER shoot anyone UNLESS I thought my life, or my loved ones lives, or other innocent lives were in jepardy.
I am more than willing to let all of my possessions be stolen and carted off without a second thought. I do not think "things" are worth the life of another human. I am more than willing to take my family and "retreat" all day long if allowed.

BUT if you back me in a corner and threaten those that I love, I have to go with "plan B".

Plan "B" includes my firearms.

Just Another old fart's opinion.

Best Wishes,

JP
 
Laserlips,

I agree with you whole heartedly.
Now I'm not a lawyer but in my opinion, in Canada if someone pushed you to the point that you had to use a firearm in self defence, you would still be screwed under this pretence:
Here we have to have our guns locked up tight and put away and the ammo must be stored separatley (not sure if it has to be locked too, I should know but don't).
Now if Joe Nut walks into my house with a sawed off and I put a .45 through his melon, I think I'd get hit with some form of intent or pre-cognisant something or whatever because in the Liberal way of thinking, how did I get my firearm unlocked get to the ammo and get the thing loaded in time to successfully save myself and family from a potentially fatal situation? And was it warrented instead of calling 911?
I may be wrong but that's what I think would happen.
As I recall, maybe 10 years ago or more, some kids held up a convenience store in Vanier. As the assailants were leaving the owner decided to let 'em have it with a 12G. and killed one of them if I remember correctly. Anyway I think he's still in jail.
Like I said, I agree with your opinions on the topic and I am not a lawyer, but I feel that in Canada you won't come out of a scenario like that on the winning end no matter what you do.



Mahalo
 
Canadian law protects the criminals and condems the law aiding. Trying to figure out our firearms laws and the logic behind it will just give you a headache.

Justin
 
Crack.

If "Joe Nutt" walked into MY house with a "sawed-off" the very least of my worry's would be possible legal ramifications.

I don't see a jury in Georgia finding me guilty of defending myself under conditions such as you describe. I can't scare "Joe Nutt" off then go out and shoot him in the yard, but I can certainly defend the safety of my wife, son, and myself in my home.

As I mentioned in an earlier post I value human life more than "things", but I value the human lives of my wife, son and myself enough that I simply would not allow anyone to break into my home and point a shotgun at myself or those that I love.

My High Standard 12ga pump riot gun resides in the closet by my bed for just such potential situations. It's NOT locked away, It IS loaded with 5 #4 buckshot, and I have 5 more buckshot in an elastic band on the stock itself. I think 10rds of #4 buckshot should be more than ample for most home invasion senarios.

My lovely bride of 38years could accompany the sound of the 12ga. going off with the additional music of 6 357mag hollowpoints being fired from HER bedside Ruger Security-Six....

The only thing I worry about more than hurting someone else is being hurt myself , or my loved ones being hurt. You threaten my family, all bets are off.

Blessedly in MY part of America the response of local law enforcement would be to buy me breakfast the next morning so we could discuss the merits of 12ga shells and what damage a 357mag hollowpoint could do.

Anyone breaking into a person's home here in SE Ga. does NOT get much sympathy from law enforcement, or local Judges and courts.

That's the way it should be in Canada, doncha' think?

Just my 2nd amendment opinon. Dissenting opinions welcome.

Best Wishes,
JP :D
 
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