Best bird dogs

Had to put my 5 year old German Long Haired Pointer down before Christmas due to cancer in her shoulder. A sweet dog who covered ground like i have never seen. Hunted like the wind and in any weather. She is missed.
 
Am I the only Vizsla owner in here?
They're known to be versatile hunters, but upland birds are their specialty.

I've never been hunting myself, but because my dog impressed me so much at her last field trial, I decided to put her to work for me, and have my hunting/pal course booked for this May.
I'm hoping I can get everything sorted for this fall.

We'll never agree on which gun dog is best, but can we at least agree that a hunting dog makes the best pet? :D
I think it's amazing that all they want to do is work for their master.


Here's mine at her last training day.
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I'm just hoping I don't disappoint her by missing too many birds!
 
Make sure you go for a breeder who is breeding dogs for the field.

I've heard people say that the breeder is more important than the breed, and I think they are right.
 
Make sure you go for a breeder who is breeding dogs for the field.

I've heard people say that the breeder is more important than the breed, and I think they are right.
A good breeder is very important. However, picking the right breeding is even more important. Anyone buying a registered dog would be well served to spend time on OFFA.com going through potential litter pedigree's.
 
Our next dog will probably be a Pudelpointer. We've had a choc lab for yrs but got sick of the shedding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudelpointer


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IMO probably the best Versatile breed going by a long shot. They retrieve and do water work as well as a dedicated retriever and point like a bird finding machine.

I only found out this breed existed a few weeks ago while looking up gaming farms. There's a guy up around Lake Scugog that breeds them and runs a hunting farm.

They sound like great dogs, but I've never seen one in person.

Do you know what their "working" style is? Are they big runners like the German Pointers, or do they keep close like a Vizsla?

We chose a Vizsla over a GSP/GWP because they work close, which is handy for a city dog, as our ravines and forests are never too far from traffic.
 
Not sure they are the best but I grew using Gordon and English Setters.

Don't see much Gordon's around..... come to think of it haven't seen one in almost 25 years but ours were great upland dogs.
Still using English Setters and love them!!
 
I only found out this breed existed a few weeks ago while looking up gaming farms. There's a guy up around Lake Scugog that breeds them and runs a hunting farm.

They sound like great dogs, but I've never seen one in person.

Do you know what their "working" style is? Are they big runners like the German Pointers, or do they keep close like a Vizsla?

We chose a Vizsla over a GSP/GWP because they work close, which is handy for a city dog, as our ravines and forests are never too far from traffic.

My pudelpointer adjusts his range to fit the terrain, in open country he ranges out maybe to 250 yards, but in the grouse woods he's close working sometimes even as close as 25 yards depending on the cover. He also tends to work closer when I have a gun in my hands vs when we just are out for a walk. While range is somewhat a function of breeding, it can often also be managed with appropriate training. I use a "Stay Close" command when I don't want him to range out.
 
Flushing breeds like springers and labs are excellent for pheasant hunting, effective but not ideal for hunting prairie grouse and huns. If you are hunting waterfowl, nothing excels at that job like a retriever. But to most hunters, "bird dog" refers to the pointing breeds. For dogs of British origin, that means pointers and setters. Pointers and setters have had the pointing instinct developed to a very high degree, that's why they are the champions of so many competitive field trials. They do not excel at waterfowl or furred game. The Europeans have taken a slightly different approach than the Brits, and developed dogs that are not only pointers, but retrievers & trackers on both land and water, for furred and feathered game. My preference is for the European "Versatile" breeds, of which there are more than two dozen. They are not as efficient at finding and pointing birds in the wide open spaces as an English pointer, not as hard working at breaking ice and retrieving late season mallards in a big marsh as a Lab or Chessie, but very good at the wide range of hunting that I do for a variety of species.
For the single best reference book on the versatile breeds, I can highly recommend a new book by Winnipeg author Craig Koshyk. His book is as follows:

POINTING DOGS, VOLUME ONE: THE CONTINENTALS
By Craig Koshyk FORMAT: Hardcover, 9x12 inches
ISBN: 978-0-9813523-1-2 PUB. DATE: May, 2011
Dogwilling Publications

His work is extremely thorough, and reviews each breeds characteristics, strong and weak points, and makes a reasoned attempt at predicting the odds of purchasing a pup with the hunting ability that you desire. Craig is a professional photographer and the photos in the book are beautiful enough to justify the purchase as art alone. I believe that anyone looking for a bird dog would be spending $100 wisely.

I have been hunting with Pudelpointers lately. I find them easy to live with, hard working and biddable. In standardized tests run by the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association and the Versatile Hunting Dog Federaltion, Pudelpointers are consistently among the top scoring dogs. In tests run by our Saskatoon gun dog club I have seen good large Munsterlanders, Viszlas, GSP's, GWP's, Drahthaars, Brittanies, and a few others.
I use my Pudelpointer to hunt Huns, Sharptall, Ruffed and Spruce grouse, Pheasant, Ptarmigan, Snipe, Hares, retrieve Ducks, Geese, muskrat and beaver. We ca't use dogs to track big game in Saskatchewan or I would do that too.
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My pudelpointer adjusts his range to fit the terrain, in open country he ranges out maybe to 250 yards, but in the grouse woods he's close working sometimes even as close as 25 yards depending on the cover. He also tends to work closer when I have a gun in my hands vs when we just are out for a walk. While range is somewhat a function of breeding, it can often also be managed with appropriate training. I use a "Stay Close" command when I don't want him to range out.

That sounds like a dog I'd enjoy working with.
I want to add a male Vizsla to our clan in the next few years, but feel like it would be a waste to not learn about another breed first hand, when there are so many to choose from.


Longwalker, those pics of yours are doing a hell of a job selling me on the Pudelpointer!
 

He's busy training for an upcoming title fight! :D

I have hunted with golden's, labrador's, springer's and brittany's... Golden's are a little too soft, brittany's are a little too narrow, springer's are just about right, labrador's ARE right. :)
 
He's busy training for an upcoming title fight! :D

I have hunted with golden's, labrador's, springer's and brittany's... Golden's are a little too soft, brittany's are a little too narrow, springer's are just about right, labrador's ARE right. :)

I've hunted over many labs, but after finding the Versatile breeds I've learned that I prefer a dog that can hunt independently and think for himself.
 
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