BEST CALIBER TO LEARN PRS and RELOADING WITH

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I have been shooting .22LR for the past two years and got in to Rimfire precision shooting this year. I have only shot the Outlaw series (100M and in) and over my past few outing started pushing target to 200 and 300 yards and that was fun.

Now, I if wanted to push out 400 yards plus, the old .22LR aint really cutting it.


What is the collective advice for the entry caliber to learn longer range shooting and reloading with. Also what budget should I plan for to get something that will allow to develop my skills.
 
if you have not done reloading and not going past 600 yds

and want to keep the cost down ...... 223.. and you can shoot past 600 yds with it ... beware the wind

with 308 ... you have the added factor of recoil ... cost of powder ... cost of bullets .... cost of brass ..... if you can reload 308 for less than .60cents a round tell me where? .75c where? $1 each?
 
222 rem, 223 rem, 6 creedmoor, 243 win. Then the 6.5, 7mm and 308 with higher costs for bullets. 223 rem gets my vote. Next would be a 6mm so 243 win or 6 creedmoor.
 
Fellows

I have been shooting .22LR for the past two years and got in to Rimfire precision shooting this year. I have only shot the Outlaw series (100M and in) and over my past few outing started pushing target to 200 and 300 yards and that was fun.

Now, I if wanted to push out 400 yards plus, the old .22LR aint really cutting it.


What is the collective advice for the entry caliber to learn longer range shooting and reloading with. Also what budget should I plan for to get something that will allow to develop my skills.

Do you have the budget to build/assemble at least 1 rifle? And do you have the budget to feed $1 per bang in practise.. and that doesn't include the cost of the barrel?

If the goal is to learn positions and wind drift, that rimfire is going to teach you a metric ton... just feed it good quality match ammo and practise from 200 to 300yds on a windy day. Compare the drop and drift as you are in a far more demanding environment then a CF at typical distances.

If you do want to get into LR shooting and centerfire, I would suggest a thousand to get going on reloading (you will eventually spend a lot more)... a couple of thousand to get your first rifle (some will suggest set ups that will easily burn through $5K and up)... and a practise budget of $1 per bang (yes, you can load for less but it will easily get to that as you reach out or choose more exotic chamberings).

The least expensive way to get into LR CF practise is with a 223 (I load mine for out to 700yds practise).... then 6.5 Creedmoor.... then 6mm Creedmoor... then pretty much everything else. Unless you want to stay in tactical division, I would not bother with a 308 as it recoils more then you want to practise and you will use something else if shooting Open.

There are ways to minimise all costs but this will not be a cheap project when all is included.

I do ALOT of practise with my rimfire... then supplement with 223... then with my Creedmoors. If you choose to go right to a 6mm or 6.5, budget for another barrel right away. If this is your main practise rifle, you will burn up the pipe fast if you actually practise.

If you want to discuss further, send an email...

Jerry
 
The best answer to your question depends on a few things you haven't mentioned, mainly how much you plan to shoot and whether or not you'd like to try competing in practical precision rifle matches with this rifle. If you plan on slowly stretching things out further and anticipate shooting less than say, 3k rds/year, I'd recommend a 6.5 Creedmoor. Good ballistics (so as to stretch it out nice and far as well as try matches), minimal recoil and good availability of rifles in all price ranges.

If you're planning on diving in and burning through tons of ammo in a bid to learn quickly, I'd suggest a .223 to keep ammo cost down with the caveat that I'd choose a rifle/action for which you'll be able to get a 6.5 or 6mm barrel of some flavour done up and change your system back and forth by changing mags, bolt/bolt face and barrel. You can learn a ton shooting a .223 and most guys who compete have a .223 for high volume practice. .223 is great inside 6-700 but really starts to struggle past that when conditions get squirrely hence why you'll want a more capable caliber for further/competitions.
 
At 1000 meters a 223 will struggle, there were a couple of guys using one but they quickly changed. We don't have hit indicators on all targets yet so at long range, a 6mm will be harder to spot it's one of the main reasons I haven't switched to one yet.

Give Insite Arms a call and talk to them about what you want to do. They will talk you through it and build you a laser.
 
In the 6.5 stuff the 6.5x47 is softer in recoil for a newer shooter and as a reloading round has huge nodes and will shoots very easily in comparison to the 6.5CM in my experience. Other then that the 6.5CM is a solid round for sure....just feel the 6.5x47 to be superior
 
I would do 6BR.

Very easy to load for, probably the single easiest cartridge to get into single digits SD's and 1/2 MOA or better precision. Very forgiving cartridge to reload for.

Ballistics with a 105 are pretty good, though it does best ~800 yards and in. The vast majority of PRS stages are 600 yards or less, so this isn't really as big of a handicap as some would make it out to be.

They feed fine out of both CRF and push feed actions, as long as you have the correct magazine setup. AICS mags with the primal rights kit, or the MDT 12 round 6BR mags are both great choices. The Magpul AICS mags also seem to work well.

Barrel life is excellent for this cartridge - better than anything else mentioned in this thread, except for .223 and .308, which aren't in the same class.

Go with 26" or 28" barrel. Anywhere between 29.0-29.5 grains of H4895 will shoot great. 105 Berger Hybrids the obvious choice for bullets.

Lots of other great choices in this thread as well, but I believe the 6BR to be a great starting point.
 
If you can afford it, you can build an excellent custom rifle that you can grow into. Insite Arms would be the builder of choice for PRS rigs in Canada.

The advantage of a custom rifle (if you go with the right gunsmith - big if here) is the meticulous attention to detail - especially on the chambering and threading of the barrel, any cartridge you want, essentially an unlimited selection of components, QA/QC and customer service if something goes down or isn't too your liking. These rifles will generally have the highest degree of precision - perhaps not necessary in PRS when shooting 1-3 MOA targets, but it's fun to shoot tiny groups and have 100% absolute confidence in your rifles ability to shoot. You can also build a rifle that 100% fits and is tailor made for you - but you need to know what you like and dislike in a rifle, and this can take a few iterations and years of shooting the sport to get completely dialed in.

For the budget end on this side, a Kelbly Atlas Tactical action in a KRG Bravo is perhaps one of the most budget friendly. Defiance Tenacity, Bighorn Origin and ARC Nucleus are other actions worth considering as well. If you have the budget, then Defiance Deviant, Impact, Lone Peak Fuzion, Bighorn TL3, ARC Mausingfield, etc are all excellent options. Then of course you have an array of stock and chassis options, triggers, etc. This will all be personal preference. If I was building and unlimited budget PRS rifle in Canada, it would be Insite Arms building a Impact or Fuzion action, in a Foundation stock with a BnA Tacsport 2 stage trigger and Krieger barrel.

For the utmost budget conscious person, factory rifles will be the most budget friendly options. Barrels and the chambers are mass produced, while accuracy is good it's generally not to the degree of a custom rifle. Limited chambering options, and of course you are bound to the factory rifle configuration unless you want to spend money to upgrade components. Some factory rifles are built better than others, but they will all produce the odd lemon.

For factory, I think the best option is a Tikka placed in a KRG Bravo chassis. Other good options are Bergara and Howa. In these, I would recommend 6.5 creedmoor. You can slowly upgrade the rifle with aftermarket trigger, custom barrel, etc. as you decide what you need as you learn and progress in the sport.

There's lots of options for most any budget, and like anything else you get what you pay for. The law of diminishing returns also certainly applies the more you spend on a rifle.
 
Fellows

I have been shooting .22LR for the past two years and got in to Rimfire precision shooting this year. I have only shot the Outlaw series (100M and in) and over my past few outing started pushing target to 200 and 300 yards and that was fun.

Now, I if wanted to push out 400 yards plus, the old .22LR aint really cutting it.


What is the collective advice for the entry caliber to learn longer range shooting and reloading with. Also what budget should I plan for to get something that will allow to develop my skills.

As Tony mentioned we’ve got a match coming up on the 22nd. It might be worthwhile taking a drive out Saturday afternoon and seeing some guns firsthand. We’re good at helping spend other people’s money.
 
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