Best Powder Measure - Test Results

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I tried weighing charges with a Harrel, a RCBS BR model, a Hornady BR and a Lyman 55. I test threw individual loads, then groups of 5 throws weighed together, and then groups of ten throws. I repeated this with two of my more commonly used powders, 23.4 of Benchmark and 12.6 of Lil'Gun.

The Harrel's single biggest advantage is you can reset the volume exactly, every time by just counting the clicks. In fact there is an argument that volume is what you should load by and the weight changing due to humidity etc should be ignored.

The most accurate, in terms of lowest deviation was the Lyman 55, much to my surprise. Set up properly using the 1st and 2nd slide for setting close (2nd and first slide opened to gether to 3/4 open or less to get to just under desired weight, if you must open more than 75% go to the largest slide) and then the first slide (smallest slide is always used for fine adjust no matter whether using largest or second largest slide to get first/close weight setting) for fine tunning, it would throw the 5 and ten lot groups at exactly 5 and ten times the nominal weight. On individual loads its max deviation was 1/10, being half a tenth over or under, and the SD was less than half that as 80% of throws were spot on.

The Hornady BR was the next closest for overall accurracy but its SD was over double that of the Lyman. Next was the Harrel and then the RCBS. Between the three they were very close in accurracy, with the Harrel winning the nice to use and easy to reset categories.

One thing I clearly learned in this test, with all of the throwers, was that a consistent stroke and operation were key to consistent charges, as was ensuring the cavity was in the down position until the actual charge stroke was made. This kept the powder from settling in and packing into the cavity if I took longer to do something betwween charge strokes.

I sold all my other measures and now have a number of lyman, all set to specific charges and powders, with one spare for adjusting for the loads I don't shoot as much of, like my big game hunting rifles.

The Harrel Culvers are great and smooth powder throwers and the Culver adjustment is very handy but for pure accuracy I will stick to the Lyman. Also, I bought 6 used Lymans on EBay for less than the cost of one Harrel's.

I now no longer weigh any charges, except the occaisional check charge just because it makes me feel better. In the 4 years since I have gone to this system, I have never had a preset one move and I don't adjust them for the humidity effect that can change the nominal weight by volume by 1/10 either way on any given day.
 
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I am not suprised that Lyman mod 55 is the best powder measure b/c only best materials are used to build it like cast iron, brass and steel only. I have three of them myself and the quality is self evident at least the older ones made in USA. Somehow most reloaders are brainwashed into RCBS and Redding b/c heavy advertisement spending by those companies.
 
I must be using my lyman wrong. I find it quite inconsistant sometimes. Although it ain't too bad with ball powders.
 
I have a 55 lyman older version, and a RCBS Brand new second one. paid $45 + shipping and RBCS sent me a new two weeks ago they are extreemly poor up to 3/10 + or -
The older lyman is not near as acurate as yours, but the Lyman 55 with a culver insert is just plan amazing it will throw win 748 dead on providing, like you mentioned the same pressure on each throw
after checking with good electronic scales
 
Lil'Gun is very fine powder, mostly used in pistols and Benchmark is heavier stick type but not as big a stick as 4895 etc. Those are the two powders I used in the test. I have also thrown a lot of Trail Boss with one and they throw it about 90% dead one, but it is a large fluffy flake specifically designed to meter well. All of the powders I have used in the Varget and Below size throw in the 80% or better range for right on, and never go out more than 1/2 a tenth over or under.

Even 30301, 4895 and 4831 throws well out of the Lyman but accuraccy on the bigger stick powder runs 2/10s over or under with about only about 40 % of throws right on.

I don't load for pistol so I never tried real light loads of fine powder. If the powder is leaking around the brass slides or drum, try taking it apart amd making sure it is spotlessly clean inside. I bought one that was very dirty and it would let powder bind against the drum till I pulled it all apart and cleaned the heck out of it. Worked great after the cleaning.
 
Great work thanks for doing this. I have been trying to choose what powder measure I need. I have a lee and it sux. Anyone know where to find one in Canada?

I would buy them on Ebay and get the older, Orange colored model. I have a couple of new ones and a bunch of the old ones and I like the ones from the 50s-80s better. May be just my imagination but what the heck. Wholeslae, Bass Pro, Cabelas all sell new ones in Canada, but best place is Ebay. They go from $25 to $50 plus about $12 to ship via US mail. That is less than half price of new and you can find lots of the old ones.
 
A friend of mine is just getting in to re-loading. He got a brand new RCBS. He phoned me one night saying, "I've got to get rid of the RCBS and get a decent powder measure, this thing can be off by 3 or 4 10's of a grain.

I calmed him down, explained uniform motion, told him to sit down and practice throwing and weighing until he got it down. By the next day he had it down and the RCBS is just fine.
 
Nice ! Makes me feel even better about the Lyman 55 I got with some other stuff, for $25 last year.

I thought it was a heck of a deal then!

OK. Yep. I'm gloating a bit. :)


Cheers
Trev
 
Good thread. I tried using a Lee Perfect Powder Measure and was getting near 0.5gr deviations. The Lyman is interesting, plus they make a blackpowder version.
 
I am not suprised that Lyman mod 55 is the best powder measure b/c only best materials are used to build it like cast iron, brass and steel only. I have three of them myself and the quality is self evident at least the older ones made in USA. Somehow most reloaders are brainwashed into RCBS and Redding b/c heavy advertisement spending by those companies.

This RCBS review is pretty much bang on. Link
 
The only powder I had bind was 110. The grains are SO small they seemed to bind behind the rotating brass sleeve. Was annoying but didn't hurt the accuracy of the throws, with 86% being dead on.
 
The most accurate, in terms of lowest deviation was the Lyman 55, much to my surprise. Set up properly using the 1st and 2nd slide for setting close (2nd and first slide opened to gether to 3/4 open or less to get to just under desired weight) and then the first slide (smallest slide) for fine tunning, it would throw the 5 and ten lot groups at exactly 5 and ten times the nominal weight. On individual loads its max deviation was 1/10, being half a tenth over or under, and the SD was less than half that as 80% of throws were spot on.

So I did a similar test with my Lyman 55 using BLC2. I measured 10 charges and weights varied from min 43.14 grains to max 43.34 grains (measured on digital scale). Only 2/10ths and likely OK for a 308 case but I think I will continue to be a little anal and dispense light and then trickle up.

Very interesting thread.
 
WarrenB

With BLC2 at that weight your Lyman shold be throwing much closer than that. A couple of things to try. Undo the two slide set scewws and slide the assemblys out. Clean them and the interior with alcohol or acetone, don't get acetone on the plastic powder column. You need something that evaporates completely. Any residue that makes the powder stick anywhere will play hobbs with your weights. Then wipe the interior with a static sheet from your wife's dryer supply. To test that you have it clean enough put in some clingy powder like Lil'gun, H335 or the like then dump it back into the cannister. If any sticks to the working surfaces of the slide it isn't clean enough. (This picky type of cleaning is needed on all throwers, powder sticking to the thrower is probably the leading cause of poor accracy. Dillon throwers are REALLY affected by this).

Once it is back together, ensure he baffle is in place, if you dont have one from Lyman, use a large size washer from the hardware, though for powders like BLC2 I usually don't worry about having one in place, I just keep the powder about the same hieght.

I tested one of mine with some BLC2 this morning. With BLC2 you should be able to do 43 grains using just the top two slides. Move the top two open together till you are just over the 42 reference mark on the brass scale. (They don't really reflect grains of weight, just happened to work out his time) Adust using the second slide, and keeping the top slide closed, till you get to 42.8 or 9. Use the top slide to adjust to dead on 43, or just lock it down at 42.9.

Throw ten consistent throws and dump them back into the resevoir. Now throw and weigh 5 individual charges, recording the readings. If you are getting variation in weights, try weighing the same charge 5 times on your electronic sclae and recording the weights. I have often found electronic scales to read 2 or 3 tenths differnece even when reweighing exactly the same charge. It is why I still use a balance bream for setting and checking powder dispensers.

If the electronic scale reads dead on each time you weigh the same charge, you are good to go but the best non-lab grade ones I have ever tried were always out at least 1/10th on each of 5 consequetive weighings of the same weight.

Now throw five throws into the same pan. It should weigh 215 grains. If not, adjust the scale down till it does, (you almost never have to adjust up). Now weigh individual charges. My bet is, if you are using a consistent stroke and not exposing the charge cavity unless it is in mid stroke, you will be well under 1/10th difference with BLC2.

I know this is a bit of fooling around to get the right set up, but once you do you can throw a lot of loads and not have to trickle, which saves a lot of time.


General instructions for adjusting Lyman55s.

When you set your slides, open the top two slides 3/4s of the way and measure the charge weight. If you are close and just under the target grains you are trying to throw then adjust from there. Use the second slide till you get very close, about .1` or .2 under, then use the top slide for the final add adjustment to get right on.

If the top two won't get you up to your target, at max 3/4s open, then engage the bottom slide. Open it till you a just under but very close to target weight, again about .1 or .2 under. Now DO NOT use the second slide at all. Once again use the top slide for that last little bit to get it right on. If you now use a very consistent stroke, never leaving the slide opening exposed to the powder unless you are in mid stroke, then you should get throws that are 80% or better dead on. Best of luck.
 
Dean,

thank you very much for taking the time to type that out. I will follow your suggestions. One other thing, the extreme swing I get is around 2/10ths. This morning I ran a bunch more tests, 70% are generally within 0.04 grains at least according to my scale.

Thanks again for the info, I'l let you know what happens when I follow your instructions.
 
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