Big cals, which one?

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I love my 458win so much that I'm thinking another big bore rifle is in the future :D I was looking through my wholesale sports catalogue and I noticed for one particular rifle that it came in a few different cals and I don't know which one to go for. The cals were 375h&h, 405win, 416 rigby, 458win and 458 lott. I've already got the 458win and I love shooting it so I'd probably pass on getting another gun in the same cal. I've heard a lot of great things about the 375h&h here on cgn. What about the others though? I've heard of the 416 rigby and the 458 lott but never heard of the 405win. Someone once mentioned to me that the 458 lott was like the big brother to thr 458win. Any thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
Jeremy said:
I love my 458win so much that I'm thinking another big bore rifle is in the future :D I was looking through my wholesale sports catalogue and I noticed for one particular rifle that it came in a few different cals and I don't know which one to go for. The cals were 375h&h, 405win, 416 rigby, 458win and 458 lott. I've already got the 458win and I love shooting it so I'd probably pass on getting another gun in the same cal. I've heard a lot of great things about the 375h&h here on cgn. What about the others though? I've heard of the 416 rigby and the 458 lott but never heard of the 405win. Someone once mentioned to me that the 458 lott was like the big brother to thr 458win. Any thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.


375 H&H- The all arond cartridge, capabale of just abotu anything. Hard hitting at close range and has a flat enough trajectory that hititng at 300 yard is not an issue.

405 Win is a lever gun cartridge, but it has also been chambered in the Ruger #1. Not as powerful as the 375H&H.

416 RIgby is a powerful cartridge that operates on lower pressures than the 416 Rmeington, becuase it offers similar performance but in a larger case. Good African dangerous game cartridge.

458 Lott is a 458 Wincheter that has an elongated case, to give higher velocities and lower pressures than the 458 Win.

The 375 H&H is my pick of them, as the ammo is readily available, and it will do it all for North America. The 416's and 458's a re a bit overpowered for here, although there is nothing wroing with that;)

405 is great if you want a lever gun, but it isn't chambered in as many guns as a 45-70, so if you want a powerful lever, the 45-70 or 450 Marlin may be a better choice.

And I might as well put in a plug for my 375 H&H for sale in the exchange forums:p
 
I've got the same bug. I was thinking about a .458 RUM, very similar to the old .460 G&A. They say a .458-500 at 2400 is magic, where as the .460 Weatherby is too much.

You might want to consider building a .50 caliber rifle, the top choices would be the .500 Nitro Express, .500 Jeffery, or the .505 Gibbs. I understand that Pacnor makes .510" sporting contour barrels. These things are expensive to shoot, but they're sure to impress the neighbours. I've bought 50 rounds of factory Kynoch .500 Nitro for this summer, and I anticipate owning a Ruger #1 so chambered in the near future.
 
MiG25 said:
you mean the 12.7x70 schuler.

i'd like to get a 416 rigby, but am a little scared of the cost of brass.


Schuler may of brought it out a a propriety cartridge, but Jeffery standardized it as a commercial cartridge for the rest of the world.

I had a Rigby, and I know what you mean about the cost. Seems to me that 7 or 8 years ago 50 rounds of Norma brass was about $80.00. I bought 50 rounds of .500 Nitro ammo from Westley Richards for my trip to Tanzania this summer, the price of .416 Rigby brass isn't scary any more.
 
If your not into reloading consider ammo availability. The 375 would generally be easier to get, and since you alreay have a 458 the others are kind of redundant, unless you want to step waaaaaaaay up.
The 405 is a nice round, and nicer if you relaod in a modern gun, when you can juice it up a bit. I have only ever used it in a 95 Lever, but its is a nice round.
 
Well, there's always the .600 Overkill

History of the .600 Overkill Cartridge by Dr. Robert L. Garnick

The .600 Overkill was conceived specifically as the most powerful cartridge that could be chambered and fired in a modified CZ550 action to produce a firearm of acceptable weight (12-13 lbs) for the hunting of dangerous game. Unlike the .50 BMG cartridges and their variants (which have been converted into .600 caliber), the .600 Overkill was specifically designed as a sporting cartridge whose lineage can be directly traced to the widely accepted Big Bore British NE cartridges such as the .577 NE and .600NE. While conceptually similar to a .600NE with the rim removed and a magnum belt added, the reality is that as far as the inventor knows, this cartridge design has never been previously considered. This most probably is due to the difficulties inherent in adopting bolt action rifles to the rimmed .600 NE caliber. The .600 Overkill cartridge was designed to produce a muzzle velocity of 2400 fps with a 900-gr Woodleigh bullet for well over 10,000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. The cartridge was the result of the inventors somewhat unhappy experiences with converting a CZ550 from .416 Rigby into a 585 NYATI. These experiences, particularly with the resolution of deficiencies in the NYATI case design served as a basis for the .600 Overkill. The .600 overkill was based in turn on the observation that 585 Nyati basic brass (cylindrical .577NE brass with the rim removed) uses a .640 rim diameter and is 3.25 inches long would just fit a .620 Woodleigh, 900 gr bullet. Unfortunately, this combination would not allow for a shoulder to be produced for head spacing and thus the headspace of the .600 Overkill could only be accomplished by the addition of a belt. The case OAL was reduced to 3.00 inches in order to produce a COL of 3.600 using the woodleigh 900-gr bullets. This proved to fit the CZ 550 magnum action and resulted in smooth feeding. Lathe turned brass cases were produced early in July 2002 to test the feasibility of the design and met with a great deal of enthusiasm amongst members of the Big Bore Forum at www.accuratereloading.com . Many of these members have extensive big bore rifle building experience as well as considerable experience in hunting dangerous game with .50 and .600 caliber rifles. One of these members was reportedly a 16-year-old firearms enthusiast from Sweden (who posted as OVERKILL) who was bent on a quest to own the world’s most powerful weapon for hunting Swedish elge(moose) and bears. In a good-natured jest, the name .600 Overkill was given to this cartridge and endorsed by the forum members. Due to his age OVERKILL was proscribed from owning such a weapon. Nevertheless, seven members of this forum are now in the process of building .600 Overkill rifles.

Based on the Lathe turned cases, a chambering reamer was produced by PTG and 3 groove .600(1:20) barrels produced by Pac-Nor. Dieter Horneber is producing the brass for the .600 Overkill in Germany and American Hunting Rifles (AHR) has done the R&D on adapting the CZ550 action to this cartridge. AHR is confident that they can build completed rifles to these exacting standards. The first of these completed rifles is expected to be available in Jan/Feb 2003.
 
Heym has built bolt action rifles in .577 NE and .600NE. They are very nice. I also know that the P14 action can be made to accomodate the .577NE.

You should remember that brass for stuff like this is going to be over $10 each. Dies will probably run $300-500. If that doesn't matter then go for it.
 
Jeremy said:
Examples please?

I am not sure if you want examples of WAY big cartridges, or an example of the 375 H&H??

The 375 H&H is the 'practical' bigger bore for North America. Since you already have a 458 WIn (Which is big enough to stop ANY fight in Canada.. or Africa for that matter) then the only reasoin to go bigger is for *fun* or *because.*:)

Honestly, the 375 H&H is, IMHO, the best overall big game cartridge for Cananda, since it wil STOP a big grizz, and it still has the trajectory of a 30-06 or so at 300 yards.

Hunting and stopping...Good combo.:p
 
Gatehouse, I like your "just because" reasoning for going bigger :D Seriously though, I'm not looking for something that will bust through those alien spacecrafts so that .600 Overkill is just that, overkill. The .600NE though, now that looks tempting, although my wallet would hate me for years lol.
 
Well,I am lookign at your "toy" lineup, and I see a hole between 270 and 458.

it is best filled with a 375 or a 338..somehting like that.

But please, dont' let me dissuade you from getting somethign ridiculously powerful like a .585 Nyati...Hell, even the inventor of the Nyati says "DO NOT BUILD ONE!":)

(Unless of course, you are fighting elephants regularly);)
 
Jeremy said:
Examples please?
500, 577 (various lengths), 585, 600, or hey, put some of the folks here to shame and get a 700NE or 710 Jongmans :D
600 Would be a good choice, brass and bullets are 'relatively' easy to obtain.
 
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