Bill c21 shotgun issue?

Nope. I'm working on not fighting with people who make bad faith arguments, it seems you don't want to have a real discussion you just want to get your Gotcha! moment.

Nobody is advocating for a communist dictatorship (so comparisons to all the countries you just listed are invalid), and the idea that ALL socialist movements end that way is not just wrong, its either ignorant or purposely misleading. Many European countries are more socialist than Canada is and they're doing just fine.


But you want policy, I'll give you just one, brought in by the Liberals in recent times: Legalization of Marijuana. It created a bunch of jobs (growing, processing, distribution, sales) it created tax revenue, and it undercut the black market in both volume AND price - nobody I know who smokes buys it from the black market anymore, and the legal stuff is nearly half the price the black market stuff was before legalization, so while the black market certainly still exists the amount of money criminal organizations are making off marijuana has dropped significantly.

But No. You're right. NO Leftist policies ever work. Public healthcare is a disaster, if you can't afford health insurance then #### you for being poor. Public schooling is a waste of money, those kids should be working the fields by age 11. Paid holidays? #### that, you shouldn't get paid for time you're not working! Paid SICK DAYS?! WTF garbage is that?! Just don't' get sick, duh! MATERNITY LEAVE!?! Total waste of taxpayer money! Besides, women shouldn't be working JOBS, they belong in the kitchen!

Subsidies for Oil, Gas, and Mining Companies. Thats where its at! Thats what will make the day-to-day life of Canadians better!


Lol. I like the way you accuse me of bad faith arguments and then make a bunch of assumptions of what me and the people I speak to regularly on the Right would propose.

But beside noting it, I'll ignore it for the time being.

You got me! Legalizing pot. The world didn't fall apart. Jobs were created, fortunes made and lost and a bunch of stoned people didn't have to be quite so paranoid. First, lets be clear.....if organized crime is making less of pot than they used to, and they no doubt are, that was never the intend of the legislation. The intent of the legislation was vote buying, pure and simple. Now, I don;t care about it that much as i no longer smoke pot. It has amazed me how important this issue was to so many people. But not serious people. Not effective people. Those peoples' happiness and effectiveness as contributing members of society don't depend on getting their intoxicants legally. I find the same thing to be true about alcohol. If you need it that bad, you should probably take a good look in the mirror.

No one I know is advocating an American style health care system. Besides the Americans, we spend the most money per capita on health and we are at or near the bottom for outcomes in the first world. But God help us if we emulate some of the more successful European health care systems and move away from a single payer system. Healthcare as an issue makes yapping about legal pot look foolish.

Our public schools ARE a disaster. Have you sent a child through that system recently? It's been corrupted by doctrinaire leftists who no longer give a $hit if they educate your child, only that they can repeat their leftist woke BS. sure there are some good teachers, but even those are cowed into submission by the unions and the boards of education. A ### ed program in Ontario written by a convicted child molester......after he'd been convicted. Tell me again how good the current system is after 50 years of Leftist experimentation on our kids. We generally score terribly against other modern countries.

Who suggested the end of paid holidays? Maternity leave? I mean WTF??? What side of the bed did you get up on this morning. Sick days???? Oh yeah, sick days.......banked for years and then paid out as some kind of retirement bonus or used up most often as "personal" days by people who aren't sick.

Subsidies for large corporations, including oil and gas??? That's a creation of the Left.

I wasn't looking for a gotcha moment. But you sure handed me one. The typical, emotion driven drivel espoused by Leftists.
 
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This thread started out with a question about 20mm bore law and shotguns, devolved into 3Macs screeching about pensions and then, somehow, paid leave for periods. I love CGN. :d

It went off the rails way before my post 27 it should have stopped with my first post no 3

which was

There was never an issue if one knew anything about shotguns and how chokes are designed and measured per SAMM 1 requirements and they were never on a list. Gun owners who didnot understand this wanted everyone to bleed put them there in their minds ONLY

Cheers
 
This thread started out with a question about 20mm bore law and shotguns, devolved into 3Macs screeching about pensions and then, somehow, paid leave for periods. I love CGN. :d

It did indeed wander a little. But we will have nothing to worry about if we all decide they can’t have any of them.

Wishful thinking ?
 
Wow that went south. So to be clear as ot stands right now all 10 and 12gauge shotguns are still legal with the exception of the ones specifically listed in ban?
 
After working for the crown prosecutor, I can tell you that the cfs measures each firearm and will make determinations on a case by case basis, regardless of what bill Blair or the rcmp say. If the gun is overbored you could be in trouble if you ever get the firearm confiscated.
 
After working for the crown prosecutor, I can tell you that the cfs measures each firearm and will make determinations on a case by case basis, regardless of what bill Blair or the rcmp say. If the gun is overbored you could be in trouble if you ever get the firearm confiscated.

Just curious how many shotguns have you seen or know of them measuring in the last 27 months or ever for that matter
Cheers
 
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Why the distinction of " shotguns with removeable chokes", are the bore dimensions different than fixed chokes at the chamber where the measurement is made ?
 
Why the distinction of " shotguns with removeable chokes", are the bore dimensions different than fixed chokes at the chamber where the measurement is made ?

Cause IMHO they think the bore is measured at the end of the barrel with the choke tube removed which is way larger due to tube boring and threading for the choke tube than a fixed choke barrel . This is not how shotgun bore is measured.
Bore diameter is measured usually 9 inches (223mm) from the breech ( by most smiths) with either bore plug gauges or a specially adapted micrometer dial gauge. It doesn't matter much on the 9 inches as long as you are away from the forcing cone / skit area at either end.

Some have even said but what about when I shoot the gun with no choke tube installed then that is the bore OMG. Yep want to screw a barrel keep that one up and the gun was never designed to be shot with no tube

I think those pushing this fully know what is right and just doing this to try to upset gun owners they call Fudds and all they are doing is dividing us even more and more and that is real plain to see now. Many gun owners who fought their entire lives for all guns and never owned a handgun or banned gun now say F"K them after this BS on the shotguns
take care and
Flame away fools
 
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The question did not even deserve a answer and look where it went .
Almost unbelievable

I only asked because I couldn't find a solid answer anywhere. And assumed it would be answered directly by one of many much smarter than me members like all my other questions. Anytime someone brought it up there was an argument. Thanks for the info though. They were never on a list all is well continue shooting Clay's and birds
 
12ga shotguns with removeable chokes were never intended to be captured by the May 1 OIC, the government and the RCMP has been consistent on that. They claim that the bore diameter of a shotgun is measured infront of the chamber but before the choke.

Thanks
 
I do not trust the people that drafted this legislation. Despite the commentary to the from both government representatives and ranking RCMP, that the 200mm measurement is not meant to include 12 gauge shotguns, I feel that the 20mm issue was an intentional phrasing that could potentially be officially reinterpreted at a future date, in aid of banning a huge number of firearms from across the country.
 
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