Billiet vs forged

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Ok let hear it what is the difference between billiet and forged upper and lowers

From what I can find it is a minimal differance

Billiet is rated at roughly 62000-67000 psi of strength

And forged at 69000-72000 psi of strength

No AR in 5.56 will ever put that kind of force on a upper/lower
So why do people have a problem or love for one over the other

Lets see what the masters have to say
 
Ok let hear it what is the difference between billiet and forged upper and lowers

From what I can find it is a minimal differance

Billiet is rated at roughly 62000-67000 psi of strength

And forged at 69000-72000 psi of strength

No AR in 5.56 will ever put that kind of force on a upper/lower
So why do people have a problem or love for one over the other

Lets see what the masters have to say

The strength mostly comes from the T6 heat treatment process, so as you pointed out there is very little (strength wise) difference between billet or forged.

One minor factor is corrosion resistance, for example the original M16's were made out of 6061 T6 forged, and the forging damaged the grain structure making it more susceptible to corrosion when in contact with the steel parts (takedown pins) whereas 7075 T6 responds very well to forging, so it's more resistant to corrosion.

But essentially the big difference is cost vs "features" kind of. If you look at an ATRS lower it's got the integral trigger guard, the flared magazine well, the unique "fences" around the components and the thicker construction will sometimes make them more rigid. Whereas a good old forged AR15 lower can be had for 150 bucks and is probably going to be lighter.

Even with 6061 T6 versus 7075 T6, the differences in strength aren't worth worrying over, so buy the lower you like the features and the fit of, and be done with it!

There are some Benelli M2's with aluminum receivers that have been retired after 250,000 shells fired through, and they could easily be put back into service with some spring replacements. The receivers are never going to wear out in any persons lifetime unless you're feeding it a constant diet of full auto fire.
 
Thanks f22.

Question for u wouldn't the anodizing protect the 6061 T6 from corrosion from the steel parts?

Normally yes since aluminum oxide is non conductive, but using the takedown pins a few times could cause scuffing and damage of the finish (same with the phosphating of the pins), and in the conditions they were being used in (hot swamps/rivers/jungles of vietnam in salt water environments) the humid salt water corroded the finish anywhere moisture could get into.


There was actually a really good post researched by a member here about the differences between 6061 T6 Billet and 7075 T6 Billet, and funny enough the 6061 T6 billet was more corrosion resistant than the 7075 T6 billet, but when you looked at forgings, the 7075 was better than 6061. Aluminum alloys can be pretty funny. Anyways, the post had tons of info on the inceptions of the different alloys in the AR15/AR10 M16 platforms, it was a really good read:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?671871-6061-further-thoughts-and-new-information
 
Looking at differences in the tensile strength of the materials won't give you the answer. Only looking at how something performs under normal operation is very basic engineering (amateur). Thorough engineering includes an FMEA (Failure Mode and Effects Analysis) that will examine every possible way the device can fail and what effect that has on the operator. It looks at stuff like how the material fails due to things like differences in the grains structure of the material due to processing and what those differences mean when things go catastrophically wrong.

Want to know why a Colt costs so much? Companies like Colt and HK blow up dozens of guns intentionally, in numerous ways, just to see what effect its going to have on the operator. And, they don't just do it with slightly over-pressured loads (that's peanuts), they do things like plug 1/3 of the barrel with mud and then fire it. That'll get you a real KABOOM!

The difference isn't in how they perform under normal operation, it's in how they fail when something goes very wrong.
 
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