Bird Flu
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death-junky
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i dont think grouse could get the cerent strain of bird flue....
i dont no if any Wild birds can get it....
i no that the chickens get it because they are hibread freeks...
talk to ya all later
Riley
i dont no if any Wild birds can get it....
i no that the chickens get it because they are hibread freeks...
talk to ya all later
Riley
DJ - How is the bird flu propagating across Europe and Asia?
Why are they testing wild migratory birds in Canada?
Why are domestic commercial chickens cooped in isolation from other animals and humans?
(As an aside, you may wish to pick up a spell checker - it would tend to make your posts more credible....)
CH - I would imagine that grouse would be considered low risk, as they do not share habitat directly with migratory birds, and are not predatory. Any game bird that appears unhealthy (before being shot) should be suspect - there are other avian diseases/conditions that can be problematic. Also, wear latex gloves when cleaning...
Why are they testing wild migratory birds in Canada?
Why are domestic commercial chickens cooped in isolation from other animals and humans?
(As an aside, you may wish to pick up a spell checker - it would tend to make your posts more credible....)
CH - I would imagine that grouse would be considered low risk, as they do not share habitat directly with migratory birds, and are not predatory. Any game bird that appears unhealthy (before being shot) should be suspect - there are other avian diseases/conditions that can be problematic. Also, wear latex gloves when cleaning...
According to the news releases, bird flu has been here for along time. They've tested ducks that had bird flu, but not the N1 strain contageous to humans.
I expect N1 will find it's way here by air travel, smuggler or other human carier before it gets here by natural routes.
I expect N1 will find it's way here by air travel, smuggler or other human carier before it gets here by natural routes.
It has been some time since I studied Medical Microbiology, so someone with better knowledge please step in if I am wrong.
The flu virus is named based on two parts of its "body" the "H" part and the "N" part. I can not remember how many variations there are of each, but it is somewhere between 6-10 IIRC. That means you can have H1, H2, H3...combinded with N1, N2, N3 etc. When the virus is reproducing in its host, it can mutate. Let's say there are two different virus strains in a host. The host will be a pig. The pig has a flu virus, for arguments sake H3N5. This virus can jump from pig to human, as the two species are quite similar, genetically speaking. A bird comes in contact with the pig. It has the H1N5 virus. It infects the pig. Inside the pig, during replication, the H1 swaps with the pig's H3. Now you have an H1N5 virus that can be easily transmitted to humans. This is where the trouble would begin.
Remember that the influenza virus is a respitory disease, and the grouse is usually dead (not breathing) when you pick it up. Furthermore, while bird specific virus can make a species jump, for example to a pig, it can very rarely make a jump to humans.
I think that one should still use caution, but remember that just about 100% of the people who have died of this disease were farm workers who were in close contact with many live animals. The worry is that if it mutates (like in the pig example) in a manner that makes it jump easily into humans, we will be in trouble.
I'll find my text book later and add to this if someone so desires.
The flu virus is named based on two parts of its "body" the "H" part and the "N" part. I can not remember how many variations there are of each, but it is somewhere between 6-10 IIRC. That means you can have H1, H2, H3...combinded with N1, N2, N3 etc. When the virus is reproducing in its host, it can mutate. Let's say there are two different virus strains in a host. The host will be a pig. The pig has a flu virus, for arguments sake H3N5. This virus can jump from pig to human, as the two species are quite similar, genetically speaking. A bird comes in contact with the pig. It has the H1N5 virus. It infects the pig. Inside the pig, during replication, the H1 swaps with the pig's H3. Now you have an H1N5 virus that can be easily transmitted to humans. This is where the trouble would begin.
Remember that the influenza virus is a respitory disease, and the grouse is usually dead (not breathing) when you pick it up. Furthermore, while bird specific virus can make a species jump, for example to a pig, it can very rarely make a jump to humans.
I think that one should still use caution, but remember that just about 100% of the people who have died of this disease were farm workers who were in close contact with many live animals. The worry is that if it mutates (like in the pig example) in a manner that makes it jump easily into humans, we will be in trouble.
I'll find my text book later and add to this if someone so desires.
First off, who cares how "death-junky" writes his posts? At least he writes them.
Strains of bird flu are common, and not all are the "big deal". The second biggest concern is the transfer from bird to human.
Then the big concern, like SARS, is the human to human transfer. That's when we will see some real grief. And it will happen.
Some of you old enough will remember the swine flu epidemic as well as the Hong Kong flu......guys like Doug will remember the Spanish flu :wink: (or maybe the Black Plague) These strains caused many deaths because research hadn't caught up to it in time.
Regardless, it's not so much the actual flu now, it's the morphing of this to something else. And the research and development of preventive medicines/vaccinations isn't ready. History has shown most of these strains of influenza come from the Orient.
Strains of bird flu are common, and not all are the "big deal". The second biggest concern is the transfer from bird to human.
Then the big concern, like SARS, is the human to human transfer. That's when we will see some real grief. And it will happen.
Some of you old enough will remember the swine flu epidemic as well as the Hong Kong flu......guys like Doug will remember the Spanish flu :wink: (or maybe the Black Plague) These strains caused many deaths because research hadn't caught up to it in time.
Regardless, it's not so much the actual flu now, it's the morphing of this to something else. And the research and development of preventive medicines/vaccinations isn't ready. History has shown most of these strains of influenza come from the Orient.
