Bisley Queen's Prize

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Jim Paton of BC won the Queen Prize today in Bisley England.
Cadet N. Poirier placed 50th.

The Queens starts off with all shooters, shooting 7 shots at 300, 500 and 600. Only the top 300 shooters advance to Queen's stage 2.
These 300 shooters then fire 10 shots for score at 300,500 and 600. After this is completed only the top 100 avance to the Queen Final shot at 900 and 1000 yards, 15 shots for score at each.
Scores only from Stage 2 are carried forward.
 
The sad thing about this is that the first Queen's prize winner from Canada was paraded through the streets of Toronto on his return (by ship). They say thousand of people turned out. He was given a parcel of land and a local company built him a house.

Jim's win I am sure will be front page news of the local paper in White Rock BC.
Anna will make sure of it.
I doubt very much it will get press anywhere else.

Lets also not forget about Cadet N. Poirier. 50th place in the Queens is nothing to sneeze at. 1,171 competitors started in the first stage. Only the top 300 move on to stage 2. After stage 2 only the top 100 shooters get to shoot in the final.

HPS for the final stages is 300-60V. I understand that Jim shot 300-40V.
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Stage ll of the Queens is 10 shots at 300,500 and 600 for a HPS of 150-30V
Stage lll is 15 shots at 900 and 1000 for a HPS of 150-30V
Only scores from stage ll & lll are combined for a HPS of 300-60V
This is all shot with Radway-Green issued match ammo.
 
PaveHammer got owned in the First Stage of the Queens. I think I came out of it with 97 and 7 or something like that, and the cutoff this year was like 99 and 13 or something ridiculous.

My haul is as follows:

Three silver spoons from the Schools
Made School's top 100
20 Bars on my NRA medal
An NRA Silver medal
A Special Bronze Embroidered badge,
A silver and gold Inter-Services Long Range medal

We lost the AG Bell by 2 points, as well as the Rex Goddard by one point, but won the Michael Faraday by about 22 points overall.

More into this later, when I actually get home.
 
time of your life

PaveHammer said:
PaveHammer got owned in the First Stage of the Queens. I think I came out of it with 97 and 7 or something like that, and the cutoff this year was like 99 and 13 or something ridiculous.

My haul is as follows:

Three silver spoons from the Schools
Made School's top 100
20 Bars on my NRA medal
An NRA Silver medal
A Special Bronze Embroidered badge,
A silver and gold Inter-Services Long Range medal

We lost the AG Bell by 2 points, as well as the Rex Goddard by one point, but won the Michael Faraday by about 22 points overall.

More into this later, when I actually get home.
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But I bet you had the time of your life......welcome to the Bisley Alumnus.....you have any digital pics of HAC Hut ? Can you email them to me please?

Boltgun
 
welcome to the Bisley Alumnus
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So what really happens to all the cadets once the cadet shooting program is done?
Very few carry on with competitive shooting. Some leave for a few years, then come back to it after their education. Sadly, most are never to be heard from again, due to jobs, marriage, family.
One of the major things I think drive the cadets away is the cost.
In the past 3-4 years the cadets have changed to the RPA rifle from the Sportco. When they a issued the rifle, they are told, "the cost of the rifle is $4500. Take care of it." Right away the cadet thinks he needs a $4500 rifle to stay in the game.
This year the Governor General's prize was won by Pat Vamplew shooting a Musgrave.
 
cost

maynard said:
welcome to the Bisley Alumnus
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So what really happens to all the cadets once the cadet shooting program is done?
Very few carry on with competitive shooting. Some leave for a few years, then come back to it after their education. Sadly, most are never to be heard from again, due to jobs, marriage, family.
One of the major things I think drive the cadets away is the cost.
In the past 3-4 years the cadets have changed to the RPA rifle from the Sportco. When they a issued the rifle, they are told, "the cost of the rifle is $4500. Take care of it." Right away the cadet thinks he needs a $4500 rifle to stay in the game.
This year the Governor General's prize was won by Pat Vamplew shooting a Musgrave.
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Maynard,

this is a topic dear to my heart. The Musgrave I had was about 1000bucks to build back in 87 using bare bones kit. A done up Musgrave ala ### cadet rifle is going to be about 2000-3000 today.Not like they are cheap.

now about retention. I figured out PDQ that shooting is not a cheap game. Most cadets cannot afford to stay at it and seriously train to stay competitive. I fell away due to money then when I was in a position to come back I could not afford the time to train. I found that I got down on myself when I shot like crap (due to a lack of training and maturity)so said forget about it.

Pave's trip got me yearning again so I once again started looking at getting back into the game.....then the fun began.......1500-2500 new gun, 2-500 for club/DCRA/ORA fees, new shooting coat (yes I got bigger) 3-500.00, match fees, etc, and I havent even fired a round yet. I now shoot for work related reasons and as a result have chosen gear that mimics what I will use at work. therefore cannot cross over disciplines easily.

I do wish I could get back into it, but cannot right now :( I suspect you will find many others with the same excuse but that's the way it is for me.

Boltgun
 
sad but true

Welcome aboard Hammer.

If we lived in a real country, the cadets could take their rifles home with them when they were finished at Bisley.

"Good job lad, you busted your hump to get here, now go out and share what you've learned"

Too bad.
 
I haven't been on this forum for a long time (almost a year) but I looked through and saw this post. I was over there along side Pavehammer with the cadets, and I sadly did not shoot great at all for the Queens stage 1. But after watching one of our teammates make the 3rd stage and then witness the first Canadian to win the Queens in 9 years, with a perfect score at that, was a completely amazing experiance in my opinion. And, although it was exploitation, I, along with 5 of my teammates, got to carry Jim from house-to-house after winning the Queens, something that I did not hesitate to take part in.
 
Good for you Newf!

I went there from the rock too. What corps?

2562 ruled the shooting scene in my day.

Get hold of Chuck or Geoff Woodman at NPRA and KEEP SHOOTING.
 
Is the Queen's Prize the same as the Queen's Medal. I served with 3 guys in the Infantry who won the Queens Medal, 2 of which were newfies. I never got into the competitive shooting aspect so I am not sure. We actually gave all the guys on the rifle team #### because they spent more time on the range than in the field like the rest of us. I know it takes alot of practice but thats just the way it was.
 
Queens Medal is awarded to the top service rifle shooters. In Canada it is (was) awarded to the top shooter in the Regular force and one for the Reserve or RCMP.

The Queen Prize in awarded to the Top Target Rifle shooter at the Annual Prize Meeting at Bisley, England.
With that said, there are also Queens Prizes awarded in other Commonwealth countries like Austraila, were I think each territory has it's own Queen prize.

In Canada, target rifle shooters compete for the Governor Generals Prize at the national level, and the Lt. Governor's prize for each province.
 
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