"Black Rifles"?

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Hello again!

I have been scouring over the threads since I signed up about a week ago and can't get enough! I came across one thread the other day where somebody was asking if a particular range was "Black Gun" friendly. I assumed that they were asking whether this range suffered from varying degrees of racism? Then I read further and in a few other threads and found that "Black Rifles" are a common term, apparently referring to the type of gun, not the shooter.

Then I noticed a whole section devoted to Black and Green...

Whats the difference between a Black and Green Rifle? How do these Differ from Wood? I assume, wood is ... well wood; where as black would be of the synthetic variety?


So is there a stigma where traditionalist wood types don't like synthetic types shooting at their range? Is this common? Why would anybody care what anybody else shoots (so long as its safe)?

Just some newbie curiosity.

Thanks
 
ArchiePerry said:
Hello again!

I have been scouring over the threads since I signed up about a week ago and can't get enough! I came across one thread the other day where somebody was asking if a particular range was "Black Gun" friendly. I assumed that they were asking whether this range suffered from varying degrees of racism? Then I read further and in a few other threads and found that "Black Rifles" are a common term, apparently referring to the type of gun, not the shooter.

Then I noticed a whole section devoted to Black and Green...

Whats the difference between a Black and Green Rifle? How do these Differ from Wood? I assume, wood is ... well wood; where as black would be of the synthetic variety?


So is there a stigma where traditionalist wood types don't like synthetic types shooting at their range? Is this common? Why would anybody care what anybody else shoots (so long as its safe)?

Just some newbie curiosity.

Thanks
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Hello Archie,

Welcome to CGN! "Black" or "Green" rifles refers to modern sporting rifles that cosmetically resemble firearms that the media would incorrectly describe as "assault" rifles.

Civilian legal 'military-style' sporting rifles are not select fire (cannot fire full-auto or burst) and by definition, cannot be properly or legally described as "assault" rifles.

The black and green terms refers to the most common colours or finishes found on these rifles. The original M-16 (which incidentally does meet the requirements of an assault rifle) was also nicknamed, "The Black Rifle." However, we firearms enthusiasts have co-opted the term for our own use, as it is relatively benign and print friendly.

In Canada, semi-auto sporting rifles such as the AR-15 and variants, Rob Arms XCR, SIG Classic Green/Black Special/Blue Star series of rifles (outwardly they resemble the Sig 550 series/family but aren't), Armalite AR-180 and a host of others all fall under this general, catch-all 'category' of "Black" & "Green" rifles.

Issues of race, skin colour, etc...have absolutely nothing to do with it!:) Hope this helps.

X-man
 
ArchiePerry said:
So is there a stigma where traditionalist wood types don't like synthetic types shooting at their range? Is this common? Why would anybody care what anybody else shoots (so long as its safe)?
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I have never been to a range where you are treated differently based on what you are shooting so long as you are being safe and having fun. However, there are range horror stories about joining clubs (usually full of fudds) who heavily frown upon such firearms as they are "only good for killing people". This is a good reason to go and check out a club a couple times before joining so you know what you're getting yourself into.
 
My club is filled with Fudds. About 90% of members are fudds. Typically, these older gentlemen are friendly, courteous & always willing to assist (read "know everything"). There are a few "range nazis" as in every club. Many of our fudds own & shoot handguns. They are also tolerant of "black rifles" however they think anything overly "tacticool" is ghey and they will let you know it.
 
The term Fud refers to elmer fud from cartoons. He is an incompetent hunter so Fud is a derogatory term used by the tacticools to identify hunters.

Red rifles are the eastern European counter parts of the black rifles.

AR rifles. The AR stands for Armalite Rifle, Not assault rifle.

Some of us fuds would love to be able to hunt with AR rifles and hand guns. However we cannot due to the very sensible Canadian Firearms laws :eek:.

Everyone knows black and red guns lead to babies in Toronto dying.
 
hillmanr2 said:
The term Fud refers to elmer fud from cartoons. He is an incompetent hunter so Fud is a derogatory term used by the tacticools to identify hunters.
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By no means does the term "Fudd" mean all hunters. It refers to the gun owners who would be willing to let the government ban black rifles and handguns as long as they don't touch their "grandpappy's deer rifle". Little do these shortsighted idiots realize that as soon as the semi autos and handguns are gone, the left are going to come after their rifles and shotguns after demonising them in the media by calling them "sniper rifles" and "riot guns".

Red rifles are the eastern European counter parts of the black rifles.
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Specifically, Communist made firearms (remember the Russians used to be referred to as the "Reds").
 
fnrob said:
By no means does the term "Fudd" mean all hunters. It refers to the gun owners who would be willing to let the government ban black rifles and handguns as long as they don't touch their "grandpappy's deer rifle". Little do these shortsighted idiots realize that as soon as the semi autos and handguns are gone, the left are going to come after their rifles and shotguns after demonising them in the media by calling them "sniper rifles" and "riot guns".
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I am do not belong to a rifle range, I hunt, nonstop all year long for the animals in season or bountied in my area. The bush is my range and I like it that way. I have read many a thread / reply that describes me as a fud even though I am active.


Specifically, Communist made firearms (remember the Russians used to be referred to as the "Reds").
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I was going to say communist but with our younger members, I didn't know if that would make any sense. :D
 
hillmanr2 said:
I am do not belong to a rifle range, I hunt, nonstop all year long for the animals in season or bountied in my area. The bush is my range and I like it that way. I have read many a thread / reply that describes me as a fud even though I am active.
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Well, according to your description, I certainly wouldn't consider any of that to be the description of a fudd in my books. Heck, I go hunting with my AR-180B and M-14S, but that doesn't necessarily make me a "Mall Ninja" (unless I decide to bolt a whole bunch of useless cr@p on them).:D
 
Some of the newer M16 IE AR15 come in 308. I do believe that they would make excellent mountain rifles as they are light, precise, and accurate. I would love to hunt with one. I have fired the M16 in 5.56 many times and it was very accurate. I could shoot a 3" sand banked group at 100 yards while pulling the trigger just as fast as I could. For my thinking there is no difference in a 308 AR15 and a 308 Browning automatic sporting rifle. WTF? is the AR15 outlawed because it is black and scary looking? If that's the reason the folks that thought up and passed the gun laws are a bunch of idiots.
 
eaglesnester said:
Is the AR15 outlawed because it is black and scary looking?
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YES, that's the reason.

eaglesnester said:
If that's the reason the folks that thought up and passed the gun laws are a bunch of idiots.
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No, they're liberals. Liberalism is a mental disorder. You should use "mentally disabled" instead of politically incorrect "idiots."

PS. Their masters have other plans and secret agenda. One of those include complete disbarment of Canadian population. So, if the gun is prohibited for looks, for vague excuse like easy to convert to a slling shot or something else, they would open a battle of champagne (they are rich and arrogant) to celebrate.
 
ArchiePerry said:
Hello again!

I have been scouring over the threads since I signed up about a week ago and can't get enough! I came across one thread the other day where somebody was asking if a particular range was "Black Gun" friendly. I assumed that they were asking whether this range suffered from varying degrees of racism? Then I read further and in a few other threads and found that "Black Rifles" are a common term, apparently referring to the type of gun, not the shooter.

Then I noticed a whole section devoted to Black and Green...

Whats the difference between a Black and Green Rifle? How do these Differ from Wood? I assume, wood is ... well wood; where as black would be of the synthetic variety?


So is there a stigma where traditionalist wood types don't like synthetic types shooting at their range? Is this common? Why would anybody care what anybody else shoots (so long as its safe)?

Just some newbie curiosity.

Thanks
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I'm the same way. The names of the forums on here are nothing but confusion for me (a newbie) :( Some of the forum names don't tell -me- (I'm sure more experienced people have no problems) anything about what the messages in that forum are about. Then to add on top of that, that there's page upon page of listings of forums, it can take me quite a while before I decide on where a msg is to be posted. Very confusing!

note: I'm not meaning to knock this board at all. I think it's an awesome resource with an infinite amount of knowledge from its members. I just find that there's too many forums, and that they are not titled in a way that makes things easy to follow.
 
If there were less forums they'd be ever more jam packed with info and more pages to sift through.
Seems fairly straight forward to me.

4 yr old thread resurrection.
 
The term 'fudd' is derogatory not matter who it refers to. Sadly, fnrob describes a lot of hunters, not just guys with "grandpappy's deer rifle". Skeet and trap shooters used to think like that. Despite the number of times we told 'em Trudeau the Elder's Gang wanted to outlaw all firearms. So there's nothing new about the whole thing.
The guys who dislike other shooters, who seem to think that shooting involves emptying a semi-auto's magazine as fast as possible and having no regard for club/range equipment, are sometimes right. However, they do tend to forget that the "empty 'em as fast as possible" young bucks now are doing the same things they did long ago.
 
"Mall Ninja"
hillmanr2 said:
I honestly laughed out loud.
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Those are referred to as the ones showing up at the range dressed up to go to war black tac vest,mags in the pockets, spec ops pants and all, with a lazer and flashlight on every firearm they own --> the funny ones
 
Manzin said:
I have never been to a range where you are treated differently based on what you are shooting so long as you are being safe and having fun. However, there are range horror stories about joining clubs (usually full of fudds) who heavily frown upon such firearms as they are "only good for killing people". This is a good reason to go and check out a club a couple times before joining so you know what you're getting yourself into.
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My good buddy, who I know as one of the fairly responsible shooters out there, joined one of the local clubs here to enjoy his Glock and Beretta 92. The club also has a rifle range, so one day he takes his CZ 858 and SKS out as well for a little plinking after he's finished with pistols. The next week he gets a registered letter from the club, stating that they don't approve of the use of 'military style' rifles and could he please not bring them back as it tarnishes their public image. And if he does return with said rifles, they will be forced to revoke his membership. This club is also infamous for frowning upon people who use more than one hand to fire a pistol and pretty much any cartridge less than 100 years old. Cap and ball is in fact preffered....of course we found this out after he had forked over his cash. Damn lucky, I almost joined up, the letter came in the nick of time.
 
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