Blast from the past?
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Bayonets are for parades. Use one in a fight on a C1A1 or any FAL and you'll bend the barrel. Bayonet fighting isn't taught anyway. And the PBI's purpose is to keep those pesky RPG guys away from my tanks. Then to hold the ground we take.
Jimpy? You mean Gimpy. You carry the friggin' thing.
Jimpy? You mean Gimpy. You carry the friggin' thing.
Lee Enfield
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Bayonets are for herding disarmed prisoners, unarmed civilians and desperate last stands when there are no serviceable weapons or remaining ammo....as above.
infideleggwelder
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R NFLD R did some a couple years ago, no bent barrels.
remember pulling out suffield cactus needles, they went deep, but didn`t notice them till later.
and rocks.
Wainwright was soft landings most of the time in the sand
remember pulling out suffield cactus needles, they went deep, but didn`t notice them till later.
and rocks.
Wainwright was soft landings most of the time in the sand
Probably not (possibly a bent finger in the slotted flash eliminator though which is/can be just as bad or worse) .. In any event if you are close enough to resort to a bayonet .. bending your fxxking barrel is the least of your worries.
During this period the DND pamphlet was CAMT 7-45 and built on lessons learned in 1939-1945 by infantryman who faced dug in defenses, rapid and well supported (air & ground) counter attack, highly mobile framework defenses with indirect and direct crew served weapons etc etc ( as near as I could tell... generally tanks were used to draw fire from other tanks so they could go off to the side and "do their own thing" ) But like tanks (when they werent fighting other tanks) bayonets had an extraordinary demoralizing effect on the side that was least properly trained (actually a Leopard can have pretty demoralizing effect on anybody when it suddenly appears out of nowhere!). Infantry arent being trained with bayonets today because in some cases it can be a little dangerous AND the "current" opfor isnt using them. FWIW one small change in "doctrine" was the move towards "pepperpot" attacks at the section level.
Anyway - what these Brits did was very little different than what CF did during the same period. These are excellent trg aids I think
Bayonet was and is a most effective weapon with great psychological as well as combat effectiveness in certain situations. They used them in the Falklands without bending any barrels. Story is that a few US mercs ended their careers on same; though it's said they may have just Argies with American accents.
It's been fashionable to sneer at the bayonet ever since WWI when it came to be associated with the "donkeys'" of the British high command. The donkeys always talked about rifles and bayonets and disliked machine guns and tanks, so the advocates of machine guns and tanks naturally tended to discount rifles and bayonets. Balance: a point most people pass while traveling from one extreme to the other.
It's been fashionable to sneer at the bayonet ever since WWI when it came to be associated with the "donkeys'" of the British high command. The donkeys always talked about rifles and bayonets and disliked machine guns and tanks, so the advocates of machine guns and tanks naturally tended to discount rifles and bayonets. Balance: a point most people pass while traveling from one extreme to the other.
