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I generally buy 8lb jugs of powder with the logic that this will mean that any loads developed will be consistent for the life of the jug.

8lb Jugs are kinda hard to come by right now (Varget) so I have several 1lb containers but they are from different lots - if I were to put all of these into one big container and shake / mix it up then in theory that should eliminate lot to lot differences and give me long term consistency for developed loads.

From what I read there can be ~10% difference between lots so it may make a difference when switching from one lot to the other - would blending the powders as described overcome this issue?
 
I generally buy 8lb jugs of powder with the logic that this will mean that any loads developed will be consistent for the life of the jug.

8lb Jugs are kinda hard to come by right now (Varget) so I have several 1lb containers but they are from different lots - if I were to put all of these into one big container and shake / mix it up then in theory that should eliminate lot to lot differences and give me long term consistency for developed loads.

From what I read there can be ~10% difference between lots so it may make a difference when switching from one lot to the other - would blending the powders as described overcome this issue?


what if they were to recall one of those powders you mixed together?


Personally I would not mix powders, especially not if you load to the maximum pressure.
 
If it was me I would mix it well then load a few reduced loads to what you normally do to make sure you know what you have. I would suspect that unless you are pushing the limit you should be OK.

Agreed, its even easier as I haven't started load development so I'll start low and work up.
 
what if they were to recall one of those powders you mixed together?


Personally I would not mix powders, especially not if you load to the maximum pressure.

Why would a powder be recalled? Has this happened in the past?

The only thing I can think of is that one lot of powder was made incorrectly and is somehow unsafe which would result in a recall but if it is blended in with a bunch of other correctly made powder that should take the edge off and I have worked up / found a good load then what is the issue?
 
Why would a powder be recalled? Has this happened in the past?

The only thing I can think of is that one lot of powder was made incorrectly and is somehow unsafe which would result in a recall but if it is blended in with a bunch of other correctly made powder that should take the edge off and I have worked up / found a good load then what is the issue?



Probably has happened before, if not could happen. Reasons would be that it was mislabeled or they found any other safety issue with it
 
Why would a powder be recalled? Has this happened in the past?

Yep.

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I wouldn't let it stop it me from blending a few lots together for the purposes stated by the OP, but yes, it can happen.
 
Who is the CGN'er who used to work for a powder company? Ganderite? Anyway, I recall reading that mixing a fast and a slow powder doesn't work, because the mixture has the effective burn rate of the slower powder.

I have mixed smaller containers of the same powder together without issue. It's up to you, and powder recalls are very rare.
 
LOL there was a GUY ?? on face book the other day who blends different powder numbers( like 4350 with 4895 ) to CREAT his own Burning rate powder and he thinks this is Perfectly Safe ! He says he works up his loads so NO problem - Maybe he's right or One day he will blow something up ! :p RJ

I watched a series of YouTube videos a couple years ago where a guy was making triplex loads in a 30 caliber barreled rig in an attempt to hit over 5400 FPS. It was an interesting experiment.
 
LOL there was a GUY ?? on face book the other day who blends different powder numbers( like 4350 with 4895 ) to CREAT his own Burning rate powder and he thinks this is Perfectly Safe ! He says he works up his loads so NO problem - Maybe he's right or One day he will blow something up ! :p RJ

If you mix ball powder with extruded powder the extruded powder will always stick to the top it's physic so what could go wrong...


what if they were to recall one of those powders you mixed together?

Personally I would not mix powders, especially not if you load to the maximum pressure.


Mixing different lot of powder is safe if you do it before the recall ;)
 
I see no problem with mixing the same powder type for overall lot consistency. I've been doing this for years. I don't mix full 8 pounders, but I do mix the last of one can into the new can.

Mixing different powder is a different story. I have heard of guys doing that, but I would not want to be the guy to test it.

I remember an episode of Iraq Veteran 888 where they wanted to blow up a Mosin... What killed it in the end was a powder blend of many powders. Chemistry can be fickle and its hard to predict how different chemicals will react.
 
I would finish my 8 pounds key then dump all the 1 lbs same lot into the jug. I don’t like mixng powder, but this is me.

I wouldn't bother.

I know where you're coming from but sooner or later that original keg is going to run out and the OP is going to have to develop a new load, MAYBE. New cannister grade powders are quite consistent, especially those as popular as Varget.

OP, just blend everything you have of VARGET into the one big container and mix very well.

I have several similar kegs of powder, including one of VARGET that I do exactly what you are asking about. I don't keep any aside. That's just a recipe for something to go awry with the load. Nothing dangerous, just to easy to mix up and lose a hard found sweet load.

Usually, when one of the tubs gets down about half way, I start looking for that powder on sale or at least reasonably priced. It doesn't matter to me which lot number they are. They get mixed into the large tub, no matter what.

From my experience of doing this for over three decades, it just make things so easy. I've never had a batch of powder need the accuracy load changed, in the rifle it was developed for, since I was first turned onto the practice.

I even do it with different lots of surplus powder of the same designation, simply because there can be some close to extreme variation between the lots, depending on what that particular lot was ordered for.

I'll give you an example. I was gifted several pounds of Canada Ammo's version of 4350. This powder came from three different individuals. All of it was in one pound containers.

Some of the containers were full, unopened and some were partially filled. I believe there were three different lots, simply because they looked different from each other.

I knew the fellows that gave it to me and there was no way they put other powders into those containers. They're all getting long in the tooth and down sized to lighter/less recoil firearms.

I ended up purchasing their brass/bullets and they threw in the powder. They used to regularly group buy.

I now have just over 11 pounds left of this 4350 type powder, all with the same burn rate, which is significantly slower than my cannister grade IMR4350. No, I'm not going to blend the cannister grade with the Canada Ammo brand.

You need to be careful when blending powders of the same designation.

H4831 is not the same as IMR4831 or the old surplus type 4831. I'm not saying they will create a dangerous situation, but if one of the older powders is deteriorating, you could lose a lot of powder. You likely won't have this issue with modern powders.

Another very knowledgeable CGNer, Ganderite, could explain this much better.

Blending several different lots of the same # designated powder, from the SAME MANUFACTURER is a good idea, all the way to the range.
 
I do it all the time when I have oddsn ends of various lots of the same powder.

Mix it all up in a jug and then decant it back into 1 pounders. This way the powders stays the same till then d and does not dry out.
 
I do it all the time when I have oddsn ends of various lots of the same powder.

Mix it all up in a jug and then decant it back into 1 pounders. This way the powders stays the same till then d and does not dry out.

I have an empty 8lb powder jug with what I believe to be a solid screw cap seal which I was going to leave the mixed powder in, are you saying its better to put it back in 1lb containers anyways?
 
I usually buy 8lb jugs. I have enough of the smaller 1lb jugs. I refill them to the top and label them correctly with lot numbers. I think it keeps longer that way.

The RL series of powders have a nice big container for 1lbs. They hold considerably more than 1lb.

I never mix lot numbers. Used alot of surplus powders and that can be dangerous.

Haven't ever worked up again in canister grades. But if there isn't quite enough of one to make a full load i will just scrap it and open a new jug if different lots.
 
I have an empty 8lb powder jug with what I believe to be a solid screw cap seal which I was going to leave the mixed powder in, are you saying its better to put it back in 1lb containers anyways?

Yes, for 2 reasons.

Each time you open the jug to pour out and return powder, you dry it out a bit. better to leave 7 sealed bottles and only play with one.

Second reason that when Murphy pours the wrong powder back into the bottle, you only screw up a part pound of powder...
 
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