bolt action milsurp .308 options

Thanks for all the great information Gentlemen.

This gives me a lot to go over before I dive in. Now I don't feel quite as ignorant on the subject.
 
I still kick myself for not getting one of those aia Enfield clones in .308 .

I think there is one in EE at present. (Price is too high for me, and anyone who wants a good bolt-action hunting rifle in .308Win can get one for less than an AIA revival Enfield, but it is a special thing for a particular niche and value is subject to how much money you have and how much you want that very thing.)
 
That's an interesting point on the K31.

Then a K98 conversion is your best bet, and easiest to find. Depends on what your idea of 'long range' means though.

One man's long range is another's point blank...

No need to convert a K-31, the brass is readily available and the bullets are .308. All you need is brass and dies.
 
Israeli K98's are usually pretty nice rifles, IF they haven't been buggered with by bubba. I have at least two. Very nice to shoot with Norinco "surplus" 7.62x51.
 
The K31 does not have to be rebarrelled to make it a .308Win, it already IS .308. It just need to be rechambered.

However, why bother?

It is likely to be the most accurate milsurp rifle you'll ever find.

It is built like a tank.

It is made with the precision that you usually associate with any fine Swiss machinery.

Sure, you can reload, but it will likely cost more to do that using premium bullets than buying the GP11 that you all seem to get for not a lot of money.

tac
 
Israeli K98's are usually pretty nice rifles, IF they haven't been buggered with by bubba. I have at least two. Very nice to shoot with Norinco "surplus" 7.62x51.


I like the Israeli K98 rifles. I have one each in 8x57js and 7.62x51. They both are 90% or better with excellent bores. They both shoot better than my old eyes will allow. However, this summer a couple of fellows in their mid twenties put those rifles through their paces. They both like milsurps. One is a die hard 8x57 fan and the other is a die hard 7.62x51 fan. They both have several of each but wanted to compare calibers against each other for accuracy under controlled conditions. The conditions were a clear Saturday morning with temps around 20C. There would be 25 rounds of proven surplus ammunition, from a similar manufacturing time. All rounds fired from front/rear match rests off the bench, while seated. The rifles were freshly cleaned at the range by their respective shooters.

Luckily I had Israeli made surplus fodder for both of them. The only difference was bullet weight and diameter. All of the rounds were shiny and bright.

The results were quite surprising. The first five rounds, which counted for score but only by group size, to be used as a tie breaker were fired at the 100 yard targets. The groups were slightly over an inch and varied by 1/16 inch. The 8x57 shot the tightest group. The target was the standard 8 inch black with 2 inch white bull.

Remember, the rifles weren't equipped with scopes but the milspec iron sights normally associated with K98 Mauser rifles. All targets were shot at 100 yards.

The next 5 shots were on CSSA Match 200 yard targets used in Hunter Bench Rest. After the first targets were shot, we determined that both fellows were proficient enough to use these with success. One shot per target as there are six targets on each page. 5 score targets and one sighting. No sighters were allowed. Again, the scores were almost identical but this time the 7.62x51 had the best score.

Target #2 was the same with the 8mm getting high score.

Target #3 the shooters switched rifles. They were trying to determine which round was most accurate, not which shooter was better. They shared Kentucky Windage dope on the rifles before shooting this target.
To their credit, the scores didn't waver and the last target was a tie.

Target #4 was another group target, again with the 8 inch black with 2 inch white bull. Results were identical to the first group target with smallest group going to the 8mm but with a different shooter.

None of the targets were timed and the rifles were allowed to cool between shots.

From my own experience as well as this impromptu match there was one thing evident, to me as well as the other two shooters. IF the rifles are in VG or better condition, with excellent bores and consistent ammunition they will be accurate. The same can be said for just any milsurp I've tested for accuracy. Mosins, Carcanos, Arisakas, Lee Enfields, Mausers, Garands, Springfields etc. will all shoot as good or better than the capabilities of the shooters under controlled conditions.

If you have a preference for any cartridge than by all means search for a rifle chambered for it. The biggest consideration should be overall Very Good or better condition with an excellent bore if you're going to shoot for accuracy. After that, hand loads are always superior to mass produced surplus unless you happen to luck into a unique lot that your rifle likes.
 
First group I shot with my 7.62 Israeli was under an inch at 100.... 2 feet to the right of the point of aim, but a good group none the less. A new rear sight took care of that.

The Yugo K-98 I have is just as accurate with the 196grn reloads I did up for it. One heck of a rifle. I bought the Israeli with the intention of selling the 8mm.... still have both.
 
So far the Israeli K98 looks most promising to me.

Has anyone tried out this Swiss K31 in .308 version ? Does it shoot as well as the 7.5 x 55 original ? Any issues arise from the modification ?
 
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