BOLT vs. SINGLE vs. PUMP

It doesn't sound like you will be happy with anything on the market,you don't like 870's or Mossy's.:eek:
Maybe you're looking for a $5000 over under for $20 delivered??? (when you get your PAL)
Good luck.........:cool:


I bet I'm not the only one here who doesn't like Mossy's (at least the POC I used) and I never said I didn't like 870s. I've never handled one. Read what I said.

I see a couple of moderately priced 870s on EE (although I doubt they will be there when I get my PAL).

I've never handled one of these, only various Winchesters and a Mossberg 500. How well are they balanced? One chap has a 24" barrel on there, and I'm not sure how good that'd be for waterfowl

A cursory glance at the thread doesn't indicate anywhere that I wanted to pay anything less than market value for a gun. I certainly don't expect to get a $5000 gun for $20. I expect to get a $250 gun for $250. Or somewhere around that range.

But I was asking about shotguns......
 
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Obviously I did pay some attention to the advice. I don't like pumps. Everyone tells me pumps are the way to go, so I asked about the 870 and the Stevens 77, a couple of pumps that can be had pretty cheap, and the Maverick 88. I mean, everyone can't be wrong, so I wanted to find out more about what was available without breaking my bank.

Now, someone who read all the posts would pick up on that and answer the questions I had about the pump guns so I'd know more about the models.



I guess if people just want to call me a jackass for asking advice, I will indeed make up my "oen" mind.

If I were you I would save my money and get a nice Semi Auto or an O/U or SxS. Cut out the middle man so to speak. If you are ever going to get serious about hunting or Clay Shooting you will end up with one of these anyway.
 
You said "I've handled some pretty crappy bolt-action goose guns too."

Which ones? What were the makes?

A cursory glance at the thread leads me to think you were looking for
cheap - a$$
cheaper-than-dirt

or
too cheap to pass up

I think that you just want to yak and really do not have a clue what you are yaking about and that you should wait for your wife to graduate and then buy something shiney.
 
You said "I've handled some pretty crappy bolt-action goose guns too."

Which ones? What were the makes?

A cursory glance at the thread leads me to think you were looking for
cheap - a$$
cheaper-than-dirt

or
too cheap to pass up

I think that you just want to yak and really do not have a clue what you are yaking about and that you should wait for your wife to graduate and then buy something shiney.

Priceless :)
 
You said "I've handled some pretty crappy bolt-action goose guns too."

Which ones? What were the makes?

A cursory glance at the thread leads me to think you were looking for
cheap - a$$
cheaper-than-dirt

or
too cheap to pass up

I think that you just want to yak and really do not have a clue what you are yaking about and that you should wait for your wife to graduate and then buy something shiney.


Sorry, it was only one bolt action that was crappy. I believe it was a Mossberg, not a Savage/Stevens. It was clip-fed, 12 gauge, belongs to my uncle. The bore was rusted out from sitting for years in the basement and the thing was long and heavy.

The other bolt he had wasn't crappy. But he had a lot of other crappy old goose guns handed down from HIS father. They just weren't bolts. They were well-knackered singles and doubles, some held together with hot glue. My cousins and I left most of them alone, but at least a couple were pretty shootable. I shot one of them last weekend, a Savage 311 12 gauge.




Now, I am going to buy a cheap, cheap-as$$, cheaper than dirt shotgun. I think, for instance, that the Maverick 88 is cheap-a$$, cheaper than dirt, etc., at $200 from SIR (and yeah, I know it is a dressed down 500). So if that's something shiny, I guess it meets both of our criteria....we agree on something?

What I'm getting at is, let's stop scrapping and stay on topic....:) I joined this forum to learn, not to fight. Internet flame wars are a waste of time. If you don't like me, cool, don't post here.
 
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(What I'm getting at is, let's stop scrapping and stay on topic....:) I joined this forum to learn, not to fight. Internet flame wars are a waste of time.)

This is not an internet flame war, but you do not seem to want to learn? You seemed to make it a point disregard all those who suggested the most popular shotgun action in North America. Other than that

:weird::sucks:

Should call topic CHEAP -A$$ SHOTGUNS OTHER THAN PUMPS 101:confused:
 
Sorry, it was only one bolt action that was crappy. I believe it was a Mossberg, not a Savage/Stevens. It was clip-fed, 12 gauge, belongs to my uncle. The bore was rusted out from sitting for years in the basement and the thing was long and heavy.

Was it the 195? ;) I think we've ALL been there...:)

What I'm getting at is, let's stop scrapping and stay on topic....:) I joined this forum to learn, not to fight. Internet flame wars are a waste of time. If you don't like me, cool, don't post here.

I agree that flaming is "s0 UnKeWl"...:D...I really respect my fellow CGN'ers; sometimes I just wish they'd respect each other a bit more. That "preaching" aside, I've read the thread before commenting, and here goes:

1) Single-shot: Like someone mentioned earlier, these run the risk of being "underweight" - a real concern when using the 12 gauge as your chosen chambering (which I believe was mentioned in the beginning of this thread). To me, however, it is the single-shot 12 gauge that is the "swiss-army-knife" of firearms that everyone deems the shotgun. This is because, in theory, you can feed anything into a shotshell, and it's far more basic and quick to switch between ammo types than, say, is the case with a pump or semi-auto. Also, for smaller-gauge-inserts you know you'll want a single-shot. Finally, there's the "feel" of a single-shot; while you just feel more relaxed refinishing one/turning one of these into a truck gun than you would another firearm, you'd also be quite content using one with a looong barrel for trap-shooting. And, on that topic, if the skeet are tossed one-at-a-time, then you really can afford to reload between shots.

2) Bolt-action: You just GOTTA love the size of the bolts here. :D Um, that said, there's a few things to consider here. If you're buying used, you'll likely have a good chance to get some "added's" gratis on your shotgun, like a poly-choke or a nifty take-down feature. Shotguns with these actions are often thought to be the ultimate in slug-guns, but it is usually only the newer bolt-actions that have the "wicked" accuracy and, simply put, rifled barrels as standard. Also, you may encounter deceptively "underweight" 12-gauges with this action as well. If you're considering a bolt-action that is single-shot, I'd actually recommend you opt for a break-open unless you're assured of its accuracy. That said, you'll most likely have a 2-shot mag with your bolt-action if you're buying a used one; in this case, I'd recommend an internal mag if possible, as you are more likely to have feeding difficulties/trouble retaining the mag in the shotgun with the detachable "thingy". :( While I've seen even base bolt-action SG's built into incredible slug-guns, I'm not sure that's where a first-timer is automatically headed. Oh, and follow-up shot are interesting, to say the least, with this action. However, one major benefit of a bolt-action shotgun is that it seems to mentally "prep" you as to how to shoulder and fire it (you'll readily think of it as just a big-ol bolt-action rifle). Just a personal observation based on taking newbies shooting, pan it if you will.

3) Pump-action: The best you can conceivably get. Bar none. So incredible it makes angels salivate. Yea, whatever...:rolleyes: This is a great action for a shotgun, and the one that will get you closest to a rapid follow-up shot. It's plenty cool to rack the slide, the mag capacity usually accommodates more than three shells, and it has obvious applications for anti-zombie defence, if your mind swings that way (it's also the most likely of the three action-types to get "tacti-cooled"). Loading/reloading this action of shotgun requires a great deal less space than a single-shot break-open, as well. While you may still get "underweight" shotguns in this action, they are more likely to be identified by name (e.g. feather-light, feather-weight, etc.), and so on. You can get individualized chokes, poly-chokes, various barrel-lengths and then a host of add-on features (which is why the Rem 870 is also called the "swiss-army-knife" of shotguns).

Anyhow, I've had and fired all three types of actions - I'm currently hooked on pumps - but when the $$$ come back to my wallet, I'll probably be picking up a single-shot again. :)

Hope this helps!
 
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Thanks. What you said lines up with my own limited shotgun experience. Each of these actions has high and low points.

I've been looking at the pumps on the EE and on Cabelas, etc., since that seems to be what's recommended. The affordable guns seem to be older 870s, Stevens 77s, and Mossberg 500s/Maverick 88s (hence the earlier posts about these guns and request for more information about them). Nobody knows anything about the old Stevens, though, it seems.

Perhaps I should start another thread comparing these basic guns and not even mention them here, but....I doubt it would accomplish much.
 
Sounds like you also need some 'gun handling' time. Try to hook up with the local trap & skeet club as a way of hopefully trying out a bunch of different makes and models of shotguns. Most guys are pretty good about letting a newbie try a gun for a round. You may be fine with a Mossberg pump, and think it's perfect for you, and then somebody let's you use their Remington 1100 auto, and you just LOVE it!!!!!!

Where are you located?
 
I'm in Saint John, New Brunswick. You'd think this place would be full of guns, but surprisingly, it's hard to find a gun club, and the gun store in town is pretty lame. Last time I stopped in they had a couple shotguns and a couple rifles - the same ones they've had all fall, because they want too much. That's why I have the questions on here - locally, there's very little advertised used and even less available new, so I don't have much chance to go try something out and see if I like it.

Back on PEI, where I grew up, I could easily find someone to take me shooting. I go out and shoot in a while with my cousins when I go home (like last weekend) but that's not often anymore. I definately would like someone to teach me the finer points of shotgun shooting. I was planning to put most of my practice time into busting crows, but I'd like some real instruction too. I just don't want to be that annoying guy on the range who is always pestering people.
 
You said "I've handled some pretty crappy bolt-action goose guns too."

Which ones? What were the makes?

A cursory glance at the thread leads me to think you were looking for
cheap - a$$
cheaper-than-dirt

or
too cheap to pass up

I think that you just want to yak and really do not have a clue what you are yaking about and that you should wait for your wife to graduate and then buy something shiney.


Now there's a swift kick in the X-Box.........:D
 
Thanks. What you said lines up with my own limited shotgun experience. Each of these actions has high and low points.

You're plenty welcome, if you were replying to me. :redface:

I've been looking at the pumps on the EE and on Cabelas, etc., since that seems to be what's recommended. The affordable guns seem to be older 870s, Stevens 77s, and Mossberg 500s/Maverick 88s (hence the earlier posts about these guns and request for more information about them). Nobody knows anything about the old Stevens, though, it seems.

Hang on, I know I did someone a favour regarding the Stevens 77...here it is: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=265891&highlight=stevens

Perhaps I should start another thread comparing these basic guns and not even mention them here, but....I doubt it would accomplish much.

You never know what you'll accomplish until you try! ;)

P.S. Resurrected the Stevens thread, just in case - keep your eyes peeled! :)
 
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