Bought an SL8 before I knew about the crack...

piniongear

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Just bought an SL8 from Wolverine and I must say it's a sweet looking gun. Paid alot of $$$ for it, but it's my first "Black" rifle. I've shot a couple AR15's and have always loved the looks of the different tactical rifles on the market. But...

About 3 years ago I had a 22-250 rifle blow up in my hands. Luckily I was not hurt badly, but the gun was completely destroyed. After this experience it took me a while before I would shoot again, but that memory is not far away.

Now, I find this forum last night and I do some reading and find out about the "Crack". Now I realize that it seems to be confined to the bolt holdback mechanism, but after my experience with the 22-250, when someone mentions "Firearm" and "Crack" in the same sentence, I get timid. I will not change my mind on this. The SL8 will not be in my collection.

So what I need now is some advice. I want a "Black" rifle, but I have some criteria. Non-restricted, chambered for the .223 Rem ( I have those dies and plenty of brass), it has to have the "look", and cannot be any more than $2k Can. Bull-pups are great, but not sure whats available in the non-restricted class. A bull-pup could chambered be for a different round as the BP is just too cool to quibble over the rounds it takes.:dancingbanana: The F2000 looks great, but not sure if there is a NR variant.

Thoughts???
 
From what I've read about the crack issue, it is only developed by "dry firing" the rifle. I think that if you don't do this the SL8 will be fine. Its right in your budget and with the different "rails" "hand-guards" and stock options it can morph into a HK G36. Relax, enjoy, and don't worry about a past "bad" experience. The SL8 is a "tack driver" from what I been told by some owners.
 
piniongear said:
About 3 years ago I had a 22-250 rifle blow up in my hands.
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Now, I find this forum last night and I do some reading and find out about the "Crack".
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I will not change my mind on this. The SL8 will not be in my collection.
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Thoughts???

The 'crack' is in the trigger group, not the receiver. There is absolutely no chance of anything bad happening if a) it happens and b) it progresses. The bolt catch will fail to engage on the last round - that's it.

I've included a pic below. Regarding not changing your mind, you appear to be suffering from "the fallacy of misleading vividness".

sl8_cracked2.jpg
 
acrashb said:
The 'crack' is in the trigger group, not the receiver. There is absolutely no chance of anything bad happening if a) it happens and b) it progresses. The bolt catch will fail to engage on the last round - that's it.

I've included a pic below. Regarding not changing your mind, you appear to be suffering from "the fallacy of misleading vividness".

sl8_cracked2.jpg

Thanks for the pic! I guess what I was reading was making this crack problem sound alot worse than what it really is. So, from what I'm seeing, this problem would be no more dangerous than a standard rifle developing a crack in the stock??? I can live with that, although I don't like the idea of a $2000 gun developing cracks anywhere really.

As far as dry firing, thats just a bad idea, no matter what gun you have. I don't do it, so maybe I won't have a problem. Wolverine explained to me this morning ( the rifle ships today!) that of the 100+ rifles they have sold like this, no more than 3 or 4 have developed the problem. Of those, most could be traced to a dry fire. Where I don't dry fire my guns, it should be alot less likely for me to have the problem???

Anyway, thanks for the post. Your picture showed where the crack develops, and wolverine explained why. Both have gone along ways to change my mind. I had thought it may have been setting me up for another gun explosion. If you haven't experienced one, you may not understand the apprehension I would feel thinking that another may do the same thing :D
 
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Well Buds welcome to the HK "money pit" I couldn't end this thread without some pics of what the troops in the US on HKPRO are up to these days. They have produced a no cut "transition block" for a G36 conversion.Here are some pics, pretty sweet stuff.
SL8a.jpg

SL8b.jpg
 
piniongear said:
Thanks for the pic! I guess what I was reading was making this crack problem sound alot worse than what it really is. So, from what I'm seeing, this problem would be no more dangerous than a standard rifle developing a crack in the stock??? I can live with that, although I don't like the idea of a $2000 gun developing cracks anywhere really.

As far as dry firing, thats just a bad idea, no matter what gun you have. I don't do it, so maybe I won't have a problem. Wolverine explained to me this morning ( the rifle ships today!) that of the 100+ rifles they have sold like this, no more than 3 or 4 have developed the problem. Of those, most could be traced to a dry fire. Where I don't dry fire my guns, it should be alot less likely for me to have the problem???

Anyway, thanks for the post. Your picture showed where the crack develops, and wolverine explained why. Both have gone along ways to change my mind. I had thought it may have been setting me up for another gun explosion. If you haven't experienced one, you may not understand the apprehension I would feel thinking that another may do the same thing :D

Still sounds like a pretty weak defense against a bad design............

ohhhhhhhh dont dry fire or it will crack :rolleyes:
 
piniongear said:
Where I don't dry fire my guns, it should be alot less likely for me to have the problem???

I think so.

On top of that, you can disable the last-round-hold-open right from the get go - HK designed the catch to have that capability.

The bolt catch is held down by a spring arm that rests in one of two grooves at the mid-point of the catch. It normally sits in the inside groove. Move it to the outside groove and bingo - it still works manually, but won't lock open on the last shot. Hard to explain, when you see it everything will be clear.

Not ideal, but it does totally eliminate the possibility of a crack developing.

My 'stock' trigger housing group never did crack. My aftermarket G36-lookalike did.
 
I have had my sl8 for a few years now, even had a g36 trigger group in it for a little while. Never had any problems or issues with it and have put 1000ds of rounds through it.
 
Piniongear, I too bought a new SL8 from Wolverine, and I've also owned a couple of older ones. The crack is more likely to affect units with the old stock. The older stock simply said "HK" on the side. The new ones say HKJS (HK in large letters and JS in smaller letters). Also, if your gun is an AF date code or later (mine is an AG) it will surely have the new stock.

In any case, the crack is not caused by dry firing. It is caused by pulling the trigger when the gun is disassembled. When the lower is removed, there is obviously no firing pin for the hammer to hit, if the trigger is pulled. Instead, the hammer smacks into the bolt stop/catch. So, just take precautions. Keep the safety on when you disassemble for cleaning, and don't let the hammer fall when the lower is removed.
 
Well I have had two lower receivers crack, the original one went for about 8 or 9 hundred rounds before the crack developed and the new replacement receiver which BTW had the new HKJS logo only went about 80 rounds before it too cracked. Mine just cracked from regular use, I don't dryfire my rifles nor do I make a point of dry firing it when it is taken apart either. You'll know right away when a crack has developed because the bolt will cease to stay open after the last shot when it is cracked. In fact the crack can be so small that's it's almost invisible yet it still allows the receiver to flex just that small amount as to not hold the bolt open anymore. Personally I think it is a very poor design and to deactivate the boltstop IMO is a poor solution and a copp out as this IS a fairly pricey rifle and IS designed to hold the bolt open after the last shot and I do like that feature and expect it for that price. Surely if a hundred $$ Chinese SKS rifle will hold the bolt open after the last shot a $2100.00 HK should also. So far my third receiver is holding up although I don't have that many rounds through it since I changed it. Actually the problem I am having with my SL8 now is that it is not holding zero anymore, I have had two different scopes and mounts on it and after I zero it the next time I take it out the impact has shifted either left or right about 6 inches at a hundred yards. I have inspected it and cannot see anything that is loose or might possibly have shifted, the top rail the the scope is mounted on apears to be solid as well. Anyway needless to say I am not impressed with this gun considering the cost and had I known I would have this many problems with it I would not have bought it..:rolleyes:
 
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mildot said:
Well Buds welcome to the HK "money pit" I couldn't end this thread without some pics of what the troops in the US on HKPRO are up to these days. They have produced a no cut "transition block" for a G36 conversion.Here are some pics, pretty sweet stuff.
SL8a.jpg

SL8b.jpg

Damn... now I am considering this sweet rifle :D
Where can I find a link to that conversion block... ???

Thanks ;)
 
More HK Junk-Gentlemen, please open your wallets!

Hunter7 said:
Well I have had two lower receivers crack, the original one went for about 8 or 9 hundred rounds before the crack developed and the new replacement receiver which BTW had the new HKJS logo only went about 80 rounds before it too cracked. Mine just cracked from regular use, I don't dryfire my rifles nor do I make a point of dry firing it when it is taken apart either. You'll know right away when a crack has developed because the bolt will cease to stay open after the last shot when it is cracked. In fact the crack can be so small that's it's almost invisible yet it still allows the receiver to flex just that small amount as to not hold the bolt open anymore. Personally I think it is a very poor design and to deactivate the boltstop IMO is a poor solution and a copp out as this IS a fairly pricey rifle and IS designed to hold the bolt open after the last shot and I do like that feature and expect it for that price. Surely if a hundred $$ Chinese SKS rifle will hold the bolt open after the last shot a $2100.00 HK should also. So far my third receiver is holding up although I don't have that many rounds through it since I changed it. Actually the problem I am having with my SL8 now is that it is not holding zero anymore, I have had two different scopes and mounts on it and after I zero it the next time I take it out the impact has shifted either left or right about 6 inches at a hundred yards. I have inspected it and cannot see anything that is loose or might possibly have shifted, the top rail the the scope is mounted on apears to be solid as well. Anyway needless to say I am not impressed with this gun considering the cost and had I known I would have this many problems with it I would not have bought it..:rolleyes:



I have been a sucker for European chic too. I bought an HK91 after reading Mel Tappan’s and others glowing reviews about it. I found the 91 to be a grossly overprices hodgepodge of stamped metal and plastic. Junk, it is that simple.

Yes, it went bang when you pulled the trigger. But it had horrible ergonomics, and I mean really HORRIBLE. You needed three hands to change the mag (four is better) and the stock was designed for a midget. As for accuracy, I shot the thing regularly and could do no better than a two inch group. I am convinced that most gun writers are secretly on the payroll of industry. The positive reviews were pure bunk. My Russian SKS did quite a bit better at the range.

Good money followed bad as I sought to replicate the positive range reviews featured in the printed media. I bought an aftermarket stock extension and scope mount. At the end of the day, the rifle looked like something Schwarzenegger might use in his next film, but it sent bullets all over God’s creation.

A particularlly humilating experience occurred at the range one day, when I pulled the doomsday device out of its case to the hoots of the assembled Good-Old Boys standing there. After they finished their wolf wistles, and enquiries about the appaling cost, I was asked to demonstrate its accuracy. Situated at the three hundred meter embankment was a collection of clay pidgeons, bright orange targets that the assembled had been blasting into pieces with a motley collection of bargain basement varmint guns, and sportorized Mausers. I tried my best. And when I did my part, I could hit the embankment with some regularity. But the clay pidgeons were untouched. Blazing away with magagzine after magazine, it seemed the pidgeons were mocking me in defiance. I had emptied my purse into an eleven pound monstrosity that might or might not best a one-hundred and fifty buck SKS carbine. I would bet on the SKS.

After the laughter died down, everyone wanted to give the German ‘Ubergewer’ a try. No matter who was on the trigger, those pisgeons remainded whole, silent testimony to my foolishness. One man dismissed my HK91 as a “kid’s toy.” It made lots of noise and looked cool, and that was about it.

Correct me if I am wrong but aren’t Heckler and Koch also responsible for the L85A2, an appaling piece of trash that should have been melted down long ago? I recall reading that HK performed literally dozens of “fixes” none of which affected the system’s inherent defects nor restored the confidence of the hard pressed British soldiers. Nobody but the British could be convinced to buy it. God knows how many Irishmen owe their lives to fact that when Tommy pulled the trigger, their worthless pop gun went “click” and dumped its magazine on the street.

Hard as it is to believe, the bells and whistles count for little in the end. The HK turns out much trash, and people line up to be bilked, blinded by European chic. Hype sells.

Had the robber barrons in HK tried their scams in the days of Albert Speer, he would have sent in the Brownshirts. As it is, the fat cats at HK are spending their ill gotten gain in German strip joints, stuffing Euro notes into the g-string of pracing Russian schoolgirls. These same scoundrals would be stood up against the wall in the days of Der Fuhrer.

Uncle Joe and the Austrian paper hanger are both rolling in their graves.

Big
 
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Well I can't speak about any other of the HK models as the SL8 was and still is my only HK product that I own or have ever owned but I also bought it under the impression of their legendary reputation for quality:confused: The worst thing I hate is when someone asks why I have to spend so much money on a semi auto rifle, and what makes it better than brand X, I always try to justify the reason with "quality" and THEN having to make excuses to the SAME person who then questions WHY my expensive toy is always breaking.:mad:
 
Bigbill said:
As for accuracy, I shot the thing regularly and could do no better than a two inch group.

It's a shame you're all so bitter. Perhaps a nice P7M13 would clear things up?

I wasn't too keen on the 'dreaded crack' either, but it hasn't ruined my life.

Regarding accuracy, if the best you could do was a two inch group, either you got a lemon or did not have the right ammo. Mine and others will/would do 1" all day with decent surplus.
 
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G37 said:
Damn... now I am considering this sweet rifle :D
Where can I find a link to that conversion block... ???

Thanks ;)

Buddy at HKPRO posted a pic of the blocked dyed black and with the stock on. It isn't the finished block but the color is "sweet". Just a FYI for those interested.
 
I've never thought of HK as Mercedes of firearms. To me, they are more like good american trucks, a workhorse that you can throw around.
 
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