BP Recommendations?

[snowshoe]

As long as the laws are obeyed, who cares what Jack shoots. I do not like modern muzzleloaders and all the expensive plastic cased bullets and pelleted powder, but most people I know use them. I hunt alone most of the time, but I do go out with some friends with inlines and have found that they have no advantage over me, in our style of hunting. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Smokepole]

Personally I like traditional MLs. Real wood and octagonal barrels, flint bearing on steel to produce ignition. These things can't be replaced with plastic, brushed stainless steel and scope rings, but that is just my preference. If you want to shoot a ML with a bolt action and a cross pin safety, thats up to you.
I would reccomend traditional style rifles from TC and Lyman, for an entry level shooter. TC guns are American made and have a warranty that covers parts of the guns indefinatly, reguardless of owners. These guns retain their resale value over time, as well. Percussion traditional rifles can be as reliable as the inlines and are built strong and easy to clean. They also hold a 'wow' factor to people who are unfamiliar with old guns and the systems that were used before cartridges became common. Oh yeah.... then there are black powder cartridge rifles too. Shootable antiques or classic reproductions.... The discussion can go on and on.

 

[sheephunter]

There are a great many of us who do not believe that these modern rifles should be allowed for early season hunting as they have nothing in common with traditional hunting ways. Muzzleloaders should be traditional, percussion or flintlock and use black powder with lead bullets. The State of Penn. only allows flintlock and I believe other jurisdictions should do the same, to me use of an inline is like cheating or possibly for people that are not up to the challenge!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and now that you've shared them on a thread that had nothing to do with muzzleloader season but was a thread about in-lines.....possibly you can keep them to yourself from now on or maybe start a thread about the evil of in-lines and then I don't have to open it and read your drivel anymore. Now the adults are talking...please go back to the little kids table and eat your dinner.

 

[mooncoon]

i really believe that we are hurting ourselves to promote not allowing one method, while endorsing another.

The discussion is not about permitting and not permitting, it is about including modern long range single shots in a season implying primitive obsolete close range guns. That is probably not a problem in a place like Ontario where there appear to be far too many deer and there apparently is a need for culling the herd. Here in BC, those long range guns were used as an excuse for eliminating our only muzzle loading season and further we do not have the surplus of deer that I sporadically read about in Ontario.

the inline is still a muzzle loaded single shot rifle,it 's closer to a flintlock than an Ar15.

that is not true at all; modern inlines are closer to Ruger #1 single shots in .270 or 30-06 than to any traditional muzzle loader I am familiar with.

don't we owe it to the game we hunt to use the best equipment available?

We owe it to the game to hunt humanely and to use our equipment whatever it may be, within our limitations. Otherwise we get into the trap of demanding single shots only to prevent the spray and pray crowd with their AR15's.

Perhaps the real criticism of the beginning of the thread is not that it involved inlines but that it should have been titled single shots and caseless ammo or long range single shots.

Someone worried about alienating the inline crowd; so what in the sense that they have no interest in traditional guns and their only interest is in getting an extended season.

cheers mooncoon

 

[nessy357]

This is topic

Hi everyone,

I am new to both Gunnutz and BP but had my first try with BP earlier this fall and would like to pursue a rifle of my own.

In that light, what would you want to have in a modern BP rifle? I have read good things about the Savage BP rifles and the ability to use smokeless powder and wondered if there are others that are able to use smokeless.

I personally really like the looks of the Remington Genesis (even though it does not use smokeless powder) but would appreciate all thoughts from those that have been doing this for some time. I know there will be varying opinions and I appreciate anything you are willing to provide.

Thanks in advance, Bob

Let's stay with the topic and not get sidetracked.

nessy.

 

[ben hunchak]

Cheaphunter......Many of us feel the need to educate new shooters such as yourself, the need to keep traditional hunting methods alive. New shooters don't always have an understanding of how this has all progressed over the years and why it's important to keep the sport going with an attachment to the past, again this is important for new, inexperienced shooters who are(like yourself) reaching out, for info. Don't get upset, take it all in, someday you too, may see the one true way.

 

[sheephunter]

Ben I've likely been shooting traditional muzzleloaders longer than you so don't jump to any conclusions and I'm definitely about as far from a new shooter as one can be but the name calling showed some real class on your part. Just cause I don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong doesn't demonstrate a lack of experience, it just shows some class. Keep your assinine comments out of the in-line talks and quite possibly we can all get along or do you just have this need to hijack every in-line thread to feed your ego?

Sorry mods but I'm getting a bit tired of Ben's attempts to hijack every in-line thread. Sometimes we just want to talk in-lines because we love to shoot them and not get into a moral debate.

If the one true way is denegrating other hunters and shooters...please count me out!

Just out of curiosity oh experienced one...how many animals have you laid on the ground with a front stuffer? I'm not 100% sure of my tally but I know it's over 100 and that includes everything from patched round balls and lead conicals to super high-tech jacketed bullets going 2,400fps......thanks for being so patient with a neophyte like myself though.

 

[GeoTrekr]

Personally I see no reason to use something so elaborate as a flintlock with it's technologically advanced flint and trigger mechanism.

We should only allow matchlocks during muzzleloading season so that we can become more in tune with our roots.




Now lets get back to the topic at hand please.