Brand New Savage A22 Stopped Working - Possible Firing Pin Retaining Pin Issue

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I recently bought a Savage A22 brand new off a fellow who won it at a gun club raffle. Thing was all sealed in baggies, with tags and everything in original box.

Took it to my club today for the first time while some fellow friends at the club helped me with mounting my new scope on it. We took about 30 shots while adjusting mostly the windage but around that point, every single shot became a "click". And manual working of the bolt ejected a round that was intact and there was no evidence of a primer strike, not even a light one.

We switched to different ammo, no difference.

We talked about the possibility that because I didn't clean it first, maybe there's a lot of factory grease on it and with the first 30 shots, some residue mixed in with the grease and maybe is fouling up the firing pin, etc.

Tonight, while I had the kids watching a movie, I went to take the gun apart, got the bolt out and noticed that when I pressed on the other side of the firing pin, it just recessed inside of the channel - it didn't pop back out or spring back out. Well, this would explain why every trigger pull didn't do anything - that pin was probably stuck in a recessed state - I was able to use a plastic Tipton tool to push the slotted firing pin end back. Then I pushed the other side and it recessed again.

A friend pointed out a "The Hunting Guy" video in which he indicated that the firing pin retaining pin shearing was an issue some A22 owners reported.

When I took a look at what retaining pin, one side was flush solid...however the other side was not, so I have to believe it sheared off since why have a roll pin that only goes halfway in. And I suspect because it didn't go all the way through, it is not retaining that pin properly which is which is why it is not springing back.

Given the fact that I did not buy this retail, I wouldn't be able to register it for warranty. I may call Savage next week to explain the situation and hopefully they will be able to send me a new retaining pin. In the meantime, I haven't found any videos to show me how to remove the firing pin. Typically on other guns, I would push the and hold firing pin down and at some point the retaining pin just falls out. In this case, when I move it with the Tipton tool whether in it's recessed or non recessed position and trying to push the remainder of the pin out with a small punch, it's not coming out.

I don't want to start trying to hammer it out, so I thought I'd ask first if anyone has a) had this issue and b) knows how to properly remove that pin. In all my other guns, where I've had to remove a retaining pin, it's never been an issue, except for one of my SKSes in which the retaining pin was completely seized due to crud build up which became like dried molasses. As this gun is new, I doubt that's the problem here.

Any suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks in advance
 
Send it for warranty. It change nothing if other had issues or not. Get your problem fixed.
Playing with it will void the warranty.

As I indicated in my post, because I didn't buy it retail, I can't send it in for warranty...(unless Savage is unlike other companies and requires you to submit the retail receipt to register it), the fellow who I bought it from won it in brand new in a gun club raffle (he can get proof for that and I have proof he sold it to me shortly thereafter, but not sure Savage will accept that).

I think if I write Savage and ask for another retaining pin, they will send me one. The problem now is with the current pin 75% in (assuming the 25% missing was what sheared off), I am not sure whether I need to tap the rest out and if so, whether I tap it with the pin pushed forward, pushed back, or somewhere inbetween (there is not a lot of movement on it at all as it doesn't spring back in place).

Unfortunately I can't find any step-by-step documentation on taking the bolt apart to remove the firing pin for the A22, so I can find out what position the FP has to be in order to tap out that retaining pin (or what's left of it).
 
I’d just get hold of savage and they’ll help you get it up and running again. I’ve been at CRPS matches and e rep is there loaning guns to try and fixing guns and handing out parts. Pretty sure they’re not going to make an issue out of how you acquired the gun. As mentioned by others, I wouldn’t start playing gunsmith!!
 
I’d just get hold of savage and they’ll help you get it up and running again. I’ve been at CRPS matches and e rep is there loaning guns to try and fixing guns and handing out parts. Pretty sure they’re not going to make an issue out of how you acquired the gun. As mentioned by others, I wouldn’t start playing gunsmith!!

Thanks. I totally agree. I neither have the skills, aptitude nor appetite for risk to start monkeying around. I will contact Savage Canada on Tuesday and include some photos for them along with greater detail.
 
I had the recoil spring break. Contacted Savage and they would not send the part to me directly. They sent the part to a local gun shop.
 
Thanks. I totally agree. I neither have the skills, aptitude nor appetite for risk to start monkeying around. I will contact Savage Canada on Tuesday and include some photos for them along with greater detail.

Keep us posted on how things work out. Im sure theyll get you going again in short order.
 
Keep us posted on how things work out. Im sure theyll get you going again in short order.

Thanks. I sent Savage a long drawn out explanation of what happened, along with several photos closeup of the issue. They haven't replied yet - it's only been a couple of days. I certainly at this point have decided that two things I won't do until I hear from Savage are: 1. try to get that pin out myself (since I don't know at what position of the FP should it come out), and 2. consider buying a replacement bolt assembly.

A buddy just texted me the A22 parts/breakdown schematics and unfortunately there is nothing in there that details the breakdown of either the bolt or the trigger assembly, which I assume is because they don't want people trying to service the problems on both. That said, bolts aren't particularly hard, and I've been able to take apart all the bolt assemblies on all my guns to clean the firing pin/channel, etc. I am 100% certain once the remnant of that retaining pin comes out, the firing pin and spring will come out.

It is truly weird that given as many youtube videos there are on various firearms, there is literally nothing on the sheared FP retaining pin issue, except a mention from our very own Adriel the Hunting Gear Guy. But I have yet to find any video on disassembly and assembly of the A22 BOLT. There are 1-2 threads on a US rimfire site about this issue but in those cases, they said they were able to just push out / tap out whatever remained of that retaining pin, but nothing about how to reinstall it (ie. at what level of pushing down the FP under spring pressure is that retaining cross-pin inserted). With almost all other bolt assemblies I have taken apart, pushing the firing pin down under spring pressure, at a certain point the retaining cross-pin freely comes out. The problem is when I push down on the FP, there is no spring pressure. It just recesses and stays there.

In the meantime, I'll just put the A22 away until I hear back from Savage (hopefully).
 
I have a bud with an A22, did the same thing. We replaced the split pin with the "next" size up from a random pack from Canadian tire. Sorry can't help with instructions as I just figured it out.
 
I have a bud with an A22, did the same thing. We replaced the split pin with the "next" size up from a random pack from Canadian tire. Sorry can't help with instructions as I just figured it out.

Thanks. Do you remember at one point of the FP protrusion or recession did you punch out the remainder of the pin? Was it with the FP pushed all the way forward, or all the way back? From what I remember of other bolts under spring pressure that I have worked on my other guns, the FP had to be pushed all the way forward under spring pressure for the retaining pin to fall out freely...which would probably signal to me that you can punch it out at any other point, but it just won't move as freely, as is the point of retaining it.

The other possibility is that it could be like my SKS that doesn't have a FP spring and the FP just free floats. I have no idea if the A22 is like that. If that is the case, the FP could be moving only with a push or pull because the FP channel is full of factory grease.
 
Maybe this Youtube video helps. At around 11:35 he takes the firing pin out of the bolt.


My friend, if I was a drinker, I'd buy you a beer. This is perfect...so if Savage doesn't get back to me in the next week, I'll give this a go. This is great to see how to do it. And I now can see what the issue is with one side shearing off and why my pin is not coming back.

Thanks for this video.

EDIT: After watching the video again, I'm not entirely convinced my problem is actually with the retaining pin breaking on one side. In the video, he clearly shows in the underside of the bolt and I can clearly see that that side of the retaining pin is recessed deep into the bolt (mine looks exactly like that - underside pin is heavily recessed in while the outer is slightly under flush with the body). If that is the case, I am starting to wonder whether my problem is actually tons of crud / grease that is inside that firing pin channel. Certainly that would contribute to the bolt movement being impeded. I'd still rather hear from Savage before trying to take this apart, but I am now leaning towards this possibly being caused by something else. The extractor has a significant amount of grease on it (looks like someone's open skin wound's yellowish pus just exploded all over it). When I actually removed the bolt, it was caked in it - reminds me of the SKS cosmoline effect.
 
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The only places that should have "Grease" would be the 'contact points' of the hammer/sear and on the recoil spring and for those just a dab for lubrication. Not a lot is needed. I 'sprayed' the innerds with silicone 'dri-lube' for all the rest, again Not a huge coating.
 
In order to clean out any crud, I would still take the firing pin out and do a proper flushing of that part of the bolt. It's not a big deal, just about anyone with minimal skills can do it. You just need the right sized punch. You can then be sure nothing is broken as well. Good luck and don't sweat it!
 
Its likely the roller pin that holds the firing pin in place. I had the same problem when I had a A22. Take out the roller pin and go to a hardware supplier . Buy extras as it will happen again. Seems to be a flaw with the A22
Regards George
 
Hey I forgot but the size of that roller pin is 2mm X 14mm

Thanks very much. I haven't heard back from Savage yet, and not sure if I will, but this is good to know, as I'll probably have to do this myself. I am not a handy guy whatsoever...do you know where I can get these pins in that size? I have never had to buy these in my life. I checked Amazon and see entire sets of M2 M4, M5, etc. They all look the same to me. I did find a set that had that size but you had to buy the whole set for $51.00. I guess you can't just buy one.
 
Update: Savage got back to me today, after almost two weeks, and they simply told me to ship my gun in for repairs. I guess that's a good thing that they are not insisting on seeing a purchase receipt, etc. So the most I may be out here is the cost of shipping it to them (Darn CP oversize charge strikes again), but thankfully they are in my province so the shipping cost is not as worse as it could be if they were out of province.

Not sure once I get it back whether they will tell me what was wrong with it, but I guess I will find out shortly...
 
Just wanted to update my own thread here. Kudos to Savage Canada for quick action and resolution. They received my rifle today and same day fixed it. They replaced the entire bolt assembly and charging handle and test fired it without issue. Looks like I'll get it back sooner than I thought!

I have to say, pretty happy with the turnaround and given the fact that I don't have a retail receipt, they still worked on it. I am only out the cost of shipping it to them as they are covering the shipping back to me.

Certainly how a company deals with problems is a good indicator to me whether I will continue to buy their products. Very happy with the Savage Canada service on my rifle.
 
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