Brazilian vs Turkish backpacking.410s

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Always wanted one of those little Boito 12” .410s for a backpack gun.
Now I see quite a few Turkish folding .410 alternatives.
Seems like a good excuse to access the CGN hive mind.

What are people’s experiences like with these little guns?
Do you find .410 in a short barrel effective on grouse or rabbits? Range?
What kind of ammunition do you find effective?
Is there a quality or utility benefit to the Brazilian or Turkish models?
How hard is it to break down either model?
 
I've had several of the Brazilian ones, they pack really nice and can be handy on a quad if legal where you are. Noisy little buggers. Quality is fine at this price point. To actually put meat in the pot? Pattern it! Both of mine shot very very low, you needed to aim at the feet of a close range chicken to put a couple of pellets in the head and neck. This could be solved by installing a taller front sight, maybe a bead on a ramp. Wing shooting? Forget it. I gave up in disgust and sold rather than start another project. My Boito was not designed for takedown, the forend was screwed on, the gun did not easily come apart. I used whatever .410 ammo I had on hand, 2 1/2" #7 1/2 is probably the best option for grouse and rabbits considering the very limited range and the need for an even pattern.
 
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Great info
Maybe one of the Turkish ones with a rib for the bead would shoot to point of aim
I’m not too big a fan of Kentucky windage
Also the lack of takedown without hitting a screw sounds a drag

Has anyone tried the bigger shot sizes?
Not sure if a 3” #4 load would pattern tightly enough to get good coverage at say 25yds?
 
Due to a tiny shot charge, lower velocity because of the super short barrel and minimal choke effect think feet, not yards. A .410 with a 26"-28" barrel maxes out at about 25 yards for hunting, depending on the amount of choke, the size of the shot and the skill of the shooter. These guns are not effective at that range. Smaller shot, because there are more pellets in the shell, fills out the pattern to provde more hits at the longer ranges but falls off quickly in killing power resulting in cripples and losses because of the light weight. Larger shot has fewer pellets and carries useful killing power farther but because there are fewer pellets they are farther apart, limiting the number of pellet hits and again limiting the effective range without excessive losses and cripples. This is the age old shotgun quandary, you can't have it both ways. A tighter choke will add some effective range if you can shoot well enough to use it but tighter choke deteriorates patterns with smaller bores, especially with larger shot. These guns are effective for roadside chickens and tree sitters but if you truly want more range you need a bigger bore = more shot and/or bigger shot. Each step up in gauge will provide an increase in effective range, that's why we don't all shoot 410's. Ask the goose hunter with his big 10 gauge about long range shotgun hunting.
 
Point taken.
I have larger shotguns I use for hunting.
But the portability of these tiny .410s is really appealing. Just trying to get an idea as to their effectiveness.

I actually have a Springfield M6 .22/410 that I used a lot mountain biking 20 years ago. I remember losing birds from moderate distances that I wouldn’t even think twice about taking with my 20 gauge.
It has a barrel that’s 50% longer than the Boito. I love the M6 but it’s worth quite a bit of money now and I don’t really want to beat on it. Not to mention it’s layout with the short stamped “stock” and trigger bar isn’t too ergonomic.

I was thinking a more conventionally laid out cheap short barrel .410 might be fun for canoe trips as kind of a kit gun for the great white north. Throw a few 3” buckshot and slugs in the bag and some larger birdshot as insurance.
 
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