Breda M1 Garand Sniper TIPO-2 is worth?
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The one you picture is the sniper version, like an M-1D. Some were sold in their chests, complete with M-84 scopes. Others seem to have been scope free.
Fine M-1 type rifles. A 7.62x51 Garand is an excellent shooter.
Value? $2000-$5000, Tipo 2, or sniper without/with scope & chest?
Fine M-1 type rifles. A 7.62x51 Garand is an excellent shooter.
Value? $2000-$5000, Tipo 2, or sniper without/with scope & chest?
There was an older guy with a various bunch of garands starting at like $2300. Now i didnt take a closer look to see if they were bredas or something else.
Canadian collectors received the first shippment of Tipo2 M1Ds in late 2019-2020 following the auction from Italian government. TREDEX was the primary (sole?) distributor.
The US importers received the shippment of approx 250 rifles in 2020-21. In the US, the cased rifles were initially sold for US$4K. A few have been sold on the secondary market in the US for US$4500-5500.
Regards,
Michael
The US importers received the shippment of approx 250 rifles in 2020-21. In the US, the cased rifles were initially sold for US$4K. A few have been sold on the secondary market in the US for US$4500-5500.
Regards,
Michael
What do you mean by "accurcation"?
Probably accuracy, language translation thingy.
OP probably hasn't shot any form of M1 as he mentioned they are for "affection and not accuration".
Couple Italian M1's I use to own, 1 Breda and 1 Beretta, both 30'06 bought a long time ago when they were $300 give or take, were just behind my AR15's for accuracy, they are very accurate semi's, one had the original Breda barrel, the Beretta had a Dane VAR barrel.
Probably the most accurate full bore battle rifles ever made. Back when I can see better and practiced a lot more, I could put a clip into 2" at 100m with either one of them.
I'd set the irons to zero on the left corner point of the front sight, little tinier sight picture then the big wide blade, off the bench it made a good difference.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
A 7.62 Garand is as accurate as a .30-06 Garand, in the hands of an ordinary long range shooter. If the trigger puller is a US NRA High Master President's 100 and Distinguished, there will be differences.
In my experience, .30-06 is more expensive and harder to feed in Canada than 7.62 NATO. Factory and FMJ. Forget trying to convince me that handloading is the way; you're not in the same league as the average shooter if you can crank 200-300 identical rounds.
Group sizes are probably 2-minutes of angle. The acceptance standards were generous. These were converted battle rifles, not bench-made accurized bolt actions. The M84 scope is inferior to the No.32 IMHO, although the latter is harder to zero, its tube diameter and lenses are bigger for better light transmission.
The Italians shortened everything else too, like the stock and op rod.
The conversions are reliable and nothing to worry about, so long as you use proper tippo 2 op rods, stocks and barrels as replacement parts when needed.
Also, there are a few guns that look like tippo 2 rifles build in danish receivers, imported before the current batch, where the retailer welded in the bolt lugs and assembly was questionable. Those guns should be avoided, they aren’t safe in my opinion.
The conversions are reliable and nothing to worry about, so long as you use proper tippo 2 op rods, stocks and barrels as replacement parts when needed.
Also, there are a few guns that look like tippo 2 rifles build in danish receivers, imported before the current batch, where the retailer welded in the bolt lugs and assembly was questionable. Those guns should be avoided, they aren’t safe in my opinion.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
YES! Look for authoritative Italian heel markings, not rebuilt Danish FKF marked receivers.
"Identical", eh?
Well it's impossible to have two of anything that's identical so I'm certainly never going to convince you of that.
However, if you move onto accepting that handholding for accuracy isn't necessarily over obsessing over rounds being "identical" as possible (save that for the bench rest shooters trying to put rounds into the same hole,
shooting from sleds and with their fancy analytical balances) you can hopefully grasp that by simply using a nicer bullet than you find in non premium commericsl ammo, such as a sierra, hornady, or nosler and by weighing each charge individually to a tenth of a grain, you can substantially outperform all of the bulk and regular grade commercial ammo out there for less cost in components then would cost to buy it.
That's without any real work up or tuning a load for a particular rifle, the bar for the average ammo you get if you were to just walk into a store and pick whatever box of 30-06 at a middling price point is actually quite low compared to what you can do with just a single stage press, good quality (not expensive) bullets,a beam scale, and *basic* attention to detail. It's *well* within the grasp of the average shooter to do so.
That said you're right as far as garands go x51 is definitely the way to go, and the stigma behind them being not ad good is largely people thinking they are not "correct" historically.
By the way, acceptance spec for a regular US Garand back in the day was 4 MOA. Most sniper rifles in that era were spec'd for about 3 MOA (in general, not garands). Most will do better, but a lot of people seriously overestimate just how accurate rifles from that era were, if you're actually ever consistently shooting honest 2 MOA groups with any garand, snipers included, you've had a lot of things line up in your favor and are having a good day. I wouldn't ever expect that.
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Bought a sniper edition from Tenda almost 6 weeks ago, came in crate with italian manual, cheek pad, no scopes. It does have the bloc in front of the chamber to screw in the mount.
Shot approx 40 rounds so far (Norinco .308 Win 147gr. FMJ Non-Corrosive) I got with en-bloc clips from solely outdoors. I personally love it, no issues so far. Cycles well, good pull on trigger, en bloc pops out and makes that beautiful ping we know and love. Prob one of the strongest extractors I've seen on a rifle so far - I found my casings 5m-ish to my 5o'clock, which also mean that I gotta be careful that no cars are parked behind me when I shoot as they are pretty close to the shooting points at my local range.
Can't say I have much to compare it with though. I was looking for a WW2 era M1 Garand for my collection and that is fun to shoot. Can say I am very happy with my purchase.
Just hard to find the M84 scope though.
nah. the garand is a great rifle, potentially the absolute best milsurp, but trying to chase accuracy in that platform is a fool's errand. Fundamentally it has a lot of things working against it accuracy wise, the whole action is just retained in the stock in by sandwiching it between the receiver and trigger group, which very handily pops right off with a flick of the trigger guard, as well as lots of sloopy contact between the forend/upper handguard and the barrel.
There's lots of ways that you can mitigate this, but they're not worth the effort. You should see the guys who actually try to turn the rifles into sub MOA shooters, they'll caution you to avoid dissembling it to not disturb the bedding, and to parapharse something I saw on the forums a few years back "ask a shooter to see a 'national match' garand, then pick it up by the handguard to watch them turn red and purple". It's well known you can spend a lot of money sending out your rifle to get "accurized" then flush it all down the toilet by knocking it over or picking it up the wrong way.
Lots of voodoo trying to get them into where they're match rifles, and when you do it doesn't last since as previously referenced the reciever is just kinda sitting in the stock without being secured positively so with any substantial use cracking, wear, and loss of any accurizing measures you make through bedding/fitting is absolutely inevitable.
None of this concerns you unless you are trying to make them into 2 MOA or less shooters, and if you are you should do something else.
