British army dump relics - Amazing finds

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It has been quite a long time since I last posted on here, but thought you guys may be interested in my recent finds. I paid a visit to the British Army dump permission I have here in the UK. It was one HELL of a day!! Found some items that I've never seen before.

The amount of Thompson sling (Kerr sling) parts and pull through rods was just ridiculous, with huge quantities coming out the ground. I filled an entire LARGE bucket. But had a lot of other awesome stuff as well, including bakelite pig sticker scabbards (some round, some with a flat back (Victory scabbards)), Vickers bore mirror, drill rounds, sten mag loading tools, sten mags, American oil bottles, and some starter tabs from a Mk III Vickers belt. But the best find of the day was an adapter to attach an SMLE grenade discharger cup to a P14 rifle !!!! So rare I could find no info on it at all, but did luckily find a picture of a P14 with a cup attached, clearly showing the adapter.

Pics attached along with a video of the dig with some great shots of stuff being uncovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAorLm_nQY

On to the pics.......



1 – Sten magazines
2 – Bakelite spike bayonet scabbards, round and flat backed
3 – Oil bottle – American circa WW2
4 – Vickers/Bren oil bottle brush
5 – Vickers bore mirror and cap
6 – Sten magazine loading tools, Mk 2 and Mk 4
7 – Lee-Enfield butt plate
8 – SMLE grenade discharger cup adaptor mount for P14 rifle
9 – 303 cloth belt starter tabs, from Mk 3 Vickers cloth belt
10 – A full bucket. Thompson sling buckles and pull through brass rods. Weighs about 25Kg !!!
11 – Unknown. Very similar to Sten spring caps but half the size.
12 – Unknown
13 – 30cal and 303 drill rounds
14 – Unknown
15 – Vickers water jacket corks
16 – Slotted pull through rods



The contents of the bucket weighed in at just under 25KG ! That's a LOT of brass. And before you ask, no....not one single gram is going down the scrap dealer. It's all being cleaned and preserved.

More finds......

Vickers MG water jacket corks.



Mark 2 and Mark 4 Sten magazine loading tools along with a Lee-Enfield butt plate.



This is a little beauty. Vickers MG bore mirror, with the cap in place!



American oil bottle, used for weapons like the BAR and Garand.



A few Sten magazines



Some rather rare Bakelite spike bayonet scabbards.



I cleaned some of them earlier and they've come out pretty good I think. What do you reckon?



An oil bottle from a Garand rifle and a Vickers feed block pawl spring (bottom).



Unusual style machine gun 250 round cloth belt starter tabs. From the Mk III Vickers MG cloth belt.



The bore mirror nice and clean



Some of the sling buckles and other bits cleaned....



Three cloth belt stretching tools, a Lee-Enfield butt plate, bracket from Bren gun Stock for the rear handle (Mk 2), bolt for securing a Bren pistol grip.



Various slotted pull through/clean rods and a 'jag', along with three Vickers K or Lewis aerial sights.



This find is totally amazing and rarer than rocking horse poo. It is an adapter for attaching an SMLE grenade discharger cup to a P14 rifle.



I know that some of you may think this is just rusty crap, but here is what that rusty crap looks like with the right cleaning methods.....

Sten mags



American oil bottle



Thompson (Kerr) sling buckles



Vickers MG cloth belt stretching tool



:)

Not bad for 4 hours of digging.

25kg of Thompson sling buckles, pull throughs and other webbing buckles, some relatively rare Bakelite scabbards and an item so rare it virtually doesn't exist on the net!

:)

Laters

RRPG
 
Well that was very interesting! It's amazing what you can find in the ground. I'm really impressed how some of the pieces cleaned up, especially the little cleaning tools. Some of the brass pieces sure don't look like they've been underground for years, very pretty.

Really nice find, congrats!
 
Thanks PP :) This dump site has all kinds of gear in it. A friend of mine, digging 2 feet away from me, found an intact trigger mech and handles for a 50cal MG!
 
Light Infantry - Excuse me for being dim, but was is 'EE' ?

scott 585 - It did. Well spotted :) One of 9 recovered on the day.
 
Oh I see! Thanks Phat Eagle :) I did wonder.......

Still looking for info on the P14 grenade discharger cup adapter. Can't find anything about it anywhere !
 
How did you clean them?

Yes, was wondering that also. To be honest, when I first saw the pics, I wasn't sure why you were so excited about these items. Now, after they were cleaned up so nice, I can see why. Great job on the clean up. Please post more as you find them.
 
dave9525 and Rugernman - Cleaning is a progressive process. I stop when the relic retains its 'relic' look, but doesn't become too clean!

1. Wash in hot soapy water with a tough scourer.

2. If brass, I use a wire brush attachment on an electric drill to remove the majority of the corrosion and crappy deposits. You can stop here.

3. If you wish to get stuff even cleaner, especially steel or iron, I soak the item in a strong (10-20%) solution of citric acid for a couple of days.

4. Remove from citric acid and knock loose rust off with a small hammer or 'pinch' the rust off with pliers.

5. Return to the citric acid for another few days, (check every day and stop when you have the effect you want).

6. Rinse and scrub in hot soapy water with a tough scourer.

7. Use a wire brush attachment on an electric drill to bring out a shine on the metal.

8. Wash again, using a soap filled wire scourer.

9. Drive all the water off by placing in an oven, (without the wife seeing), at 150 degrees C for about 20 minutes.

10. Display!

:)

The Frogge - Thanks. That is all I could find on the item as well. Adds more ammunition to the theory the P14 grenade discharger cup adapter is rarer that hen's teeth!

:)
 
Very cool! Nice finds. Cool when you consider you're the first person to touch these since they were buried at the end of WW2. A real direct physical link to history.

Have you or other relic diggers tried wet stainless tumbling? I use stainless pin media in a lapidary tumbler to clean brass for reloading; citric acid is added too to get the cases shiny (LemiShine brand dishwasher crystals) so your description of method made me think of that. Just thinking that wet SS tumbling may be quicker and far less labour intensive. Gentle on the artifacts too. There'll be a size limitation of course though. But for the small stuff which is fiddlier to clean anyway it may be a good method.

If you want to try it out, I'm happy to tumble some test samplesfor you to get an idea of if it would work well. Sorry I keep all my kit oiled so I don't have anything rusty lying around :d
 
Flashman- Many thanks for your advice. I do use tumbling as a method for the smaller finds and it does indeed work very well, and has the benefit of involving no elbow grease at all!
 
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