Broken firing pin in Turkish pump-action 12 gauge

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One of my co-workers has a Turkish 12 ga pump that suffered a broken FP this weekend (all I know at present). Are there significant issue with acquisition or replacement of this part normally?? I know that many of them are similar/identical to the Weatherby pumps, so maybe that avenue would work. I will have the bolt tomorrow for inspection and will take some pics...


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blake
 
The dealer will probably have spares. There's a LOT of parts commonality between the Turkish guns, and most of the pumps (regardless of gauge) actually use the same pin.

The single shot hammerless guns all use the same pin (I have .410, 20 gauge, and 12 gauge hamerless singles, and they all use the same pin), but not sure if it fits in the pumps (just haven't checked). The pin from my 20 gauge Turkish pump is the same as in my 12 gauge pump mag-fed, semi-auto mag fed, and tube fed 12 gauge semi, and they all have different brands stamped on the side.

The metal QC on the firing pins and the cross-frame pins that hold the action together and trigger group is a little, erm, inconsistent. The barrels, receivers, and bolts all get the attention they need, but some of the other parts, notsomuch.
 
I know there was a different thread on O'Dell customer service. Cannot find it.

So here's to reopening a necrothread for a shout out to O'Dell. I bought a Canuck defender 14" barrel and pistol grip. Somewhat of a 870 Turkish(derya)clone. Bought it at a recent Landsbourough auction. Came with the two piece bolt, no pinned firing pin/spring. Sent them a email. Only negative thing, apparently all their replies,.always go to email junk/spam folders. So total time , including 7 business days shipping....somewhere I've never heard of Ontario to Can't get there from here BC. Total time about 5-6 weeks

They sent me a complete, pinned with firing pin bolt.....ABSOLUTELY FREE. Somewhat ruins my old garage sales world view.

Now the shotgun itself, not to be mistaken for a well worn Model 12. Cheap camp gun.......now I just need to find extra chokes, only came with modified.

No issue with Landsbourough, they were selling hundreds of firearms. Just a shout out to the Lady, whom I forgot her name; and Anthony Beiler their in house gunsmith. Sent me replacement parts,.no charge, for a gun I bought at auction.

10/10 customer service: rcbs, bushnell, O'Dell
0/10 customer service: Leupold/korth, Wards auction
 
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Depends on the brand and importer. If the brand is supported by the wholesaler and dealer parts are easily sourced. If they were a one time line build then possibly issues getting parts. There are alot of parts that interchange. The only ones I've experienced an issue or have heard of issues getting parts was Kral and khan. It took over a year iirc to get firing pins for my Tristar and they sent the wrong pins at that
Not all Turkish made guns are cheap there are some better built brands there. It's the market that demands cheap guns built to the cheapest price point
 
brybenn said:
Depends on the brand and importer. If the brand is supported by the wholesaler and dealer parts are easily sourced. If they were a one time line build then possibly issues getting parts. There are alot of parts that interchange. The only ones I've experienced an issue or have heard of issues getting parts was Kral and khan. It took over a year iirc to get firing pins for my Tristar and they sent the wrong pins at that
Not all Turkish made guns are cheap there are some better built brands there. It's the market that demands cheap guns built to the cheapest price point
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This is very true and not just with guns.
 
many of them are similar/identical to the Weatherby pumps

Mine would appear to be a Rem. 870 clone, might try that direction.

Grizz
 
You mention Turkish shotgun, do you know the actual model? It could be from O'Dell, or possibly a different distributor depending on the exact model.
 
canvasback said:
To each their own but I prefer guns that take 50 to 100 years to have something break.
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Please do us all a favour and tell us which guns don't break firing pins for 50 -100 years. It sure can't be a Perazzi. My 3 month old DB 81 broke one during the Budweiser Handicap at the '92 Grand.
50-100 years !What a load of BS.
 
Sitting in the safe or on the wall they last that long !!!Laugh2

Seriously any good gunsmith can make a firing pin out of the broken parts for specs. Probably of better metal such as SS.
 
I'm with Canvasback on this one. When something as basic as a firing pin breaks in a new firearm, that gun probably has other issues I wouldn't want to find out about.
 
EL34/6L6 said:
You're delusional if you think every mossy and remmy lasts 50-100 years before experiencing a part failure.
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WKAYE said:
Please do us all a favour and tell us which guns don't break firing pins for 50 -100 years. It sure can't be a Perazzi. My 3 month old DB 81 broke one during the Budweiser Handicap at the '92 Grand.
50-100 years !What a load of BS.
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Bwahahahaha! What ever made you think I was talking about Mossys. But I'll give it a shot answering both of you.

I have a Remington Wingmaster. It is 42 years old. Got it new in 1980. Was my main gun for 20 years, mostly on waterfowl. Still sees use. Never, ever broke anything.
I had a Winchester M12 16 gauge from 1958. Had it from 1981 until about 6 years ago when I sold it. Nothing ever broke.
Ditto for my Winchester M12 12 gauge Trap.

This is just a partial list of other guns but.....

Never a mechanical malfunction on my Purdey12 gauge circa 1932 thus 90 years old.
Never a mechanical malfunction on my Lovena 12 gauge circa 1922 thus 100 years old.
Never a mechanical malfunction on my A H Fox 12 gauge circa 1909 thus 113 years old.
Never a mechanical malfunction on my A H Fox 16 gauge circa 134 thus 88 years old.
Never a mechanical malfunction on my Manufrance Ideal 12 gauge circa 1921 thus 101 years old.
Never a mechanical malfunction on my J & W Tolley 12 gauge circa 1905 thus 117 years old.

And before you ask, all these older guns got stripped and examined by my smith when i acquired them. We can tell if work has been done.

That's not to say every old gun works flawlessly every time. But they sure didn't break in the first year or 500 rounds as often as the current pack of bargain basement pumps, semis and OU out of Turkey. You get what you pay for. There aren't really any shortcuts.

Most of those older guns were built in times and places where workmanship mattered. To the workers and to what we might call management. It wasn't a culture of "cut every cost possible and hope we squeak by". It wasn't a culture of "use it up and throw it out". But our outsourcing/Walmart/Amazon addicted society has spoken. I know something about this. My job for 35 years was in the sourcing/marketing/selling to retailers of consumer products. Many in the sporting goods area. There has been a shift. My livelihood depending on seeing and understanding the shift. We are getting now what the majority have asked for.

And WKAYE, one experience with a Parazzi 30 years ago doesn't make a pattern. Someone's full of BS and it isn't me.
 
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You are right about the Walmart mentality . Remember when the rifle and the shotgun were proudly displayed in a gun cabinet .When you first visited, they were brought out to be admired. Who in their right mind would be impressed by some plastic and black paint thing. Our T-Fal toaster in the kitchen is much more impressive. I was offered a 870 20gauge with "the most beautiful wood ever seen on one" I didn't see it but his asking price of $750 was well beyond my means and value of an obsolete shotgun. Since the invention of TSS, the 20gauge pump is the darling of the turkey hunters. But they require chrome lined barrels and screw in chokes. It's good idea for steel as well. BTW my favourite range rifle is a P-14, well over a 100 years old.
 
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