Browning Has Finally Jumped on the Tactical Bandwagon

Nice clean looking gun. Speaking for those who want to keep a bead rather than switch to a ghost ring, why is it that so many manufacturers refuse to put a pedestal under their bead? Because of the difference in height between the receiver and the bead, the gun has to shoot high. I prefer having my shots go where I point the gun.
 
...call me closed-minded but my first reaction would be anything but excited.
what features are they bringing to the table besides the "browning" name that are innovative or are going to help them corner this market :confused: Mossberg and Remmy are time proven designs with a large aftermarket following and are coming in at a bill + cheaper. I realize you will have buyers of this unit just on the principle of being different and or brand loyal, but that isn't going to keep the line alive. That said I have never handled a BPR so I'll ask owners and or enthusiasts [without being a smart arse] if I'm missing something???

Mad Mikey :)
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
...call me closed-minded but my first reaction would be anything but excited.
what features are they bringing to the table besides the "browning" name that are innovative or are going to help them corner this market :confused: Mossberg and Remmy are time proven designs with a large aftermarket following and are coming in at a bill + cheaper. I realize you will have buyers of this unit just on the principle of being different and or brand loyal, but that isn't going to keep the line alive. That said I have never handled a BPR so I'll ask owners and or enthusiasts [without being a smart arse] if I'm missing something???

Mad Mikey :)
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I like the Remmy 870, a good utiltarian pump but the Browning IMO is far superior, much smoother action, very reliable, ambidextrous (bottom eject and tang safety)
I have owned both and have neither, but I would rather a BPS than an 870.
 
I concur with bill c68 as to the quality, refinement and merits of the BPS. IMHO, it and the Fabarm Martial are the cream of the crop for pump guns.

I still prefer the Rem 870 though, partially because it fits me better than all others, but mostly because it is an almost indestructable design.
 
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The Browning pump with extended mag is a worthy addition. Bottom eject has its advantages and in the long term its the "parts breakage" thang that is key along with the "practical fact" that bottom eject and feeding has a lot of advantages.

For example on the Anniversary of Mayerthorpe, which shotgun(s) might have proved useful in repelling the ambush of the lawbreaker who used a rifle at close range against four pistol armed RCMP Constables?

In blowing snow or what was for them "barn conditions" you might be surprised at how much easier it is to keep a bottom ejection shotgun free of debris, especially when it is stacked or laid down or placed some place "temporarily".

Ever walked around barnyards or barns much with a shotgun? Things tip over, straw or chaff blows around or things fall off beams at the damdest times.

Or inadvertently planting your shotgun in the mud or barnyard debris as you take seek to take cover from what proved to be at Mayerthorpe a deady assailant.

Can only wonder IF the Detective killed in Montreal was carrying a shotgun or pistol in his KIA raid.

The handiness or "field workability" of the bottom eject shotgun I learned about pump shotguns about 50 years ago. Spent lots of teenage time when I coulda been hanging out the mall (not many in 1957 eh!) in duck blinds instead, and boats awash with water from offshore waves or from partially tipping when hauled up into the marsh blind for pass shooting in late snowy freezing sleet and rain afternoons.

Found out that some shotguns would work well in these conditions and others would not especially when the shotgun's owner sank waist deep in bog that looked like solid ground.

Ever wonder how "easy" it was to use all those Model 97's in WWI combat? How easy would the Model 97 or Model 12 be to strip in the "mud of Flanders" or the "Sands of Iwo Jima"?

In my opinion it is "deja vu" all over gain as to Browning's current 2007 offering.

Might as well have Left it in commercial blue and it would look much like the Model 12's and Rem 31's of WWII at Iwo Jima with brass shotgun shells.

But in matte black it looks "Way 2007 COOL" and can sell for much more!
Kinda like the Remington Patrol Carbine. Just the 1950's improved 760 Pump in 223 but NOT $500-$600 dollars BUT $900.00!

Do you know you cound get a Rem 760 decades ago in 223? Nobody Wanted them so they did not sell well at all THEN. Now a pricey collectors item too!
Werent that matte black either.


Oh yes did I mention that one of the pushes for plastic shotgun hulls in the 1960s or 70's was because the paper hulls would swell up and not chamber in those oh-so wet duckblinds?

CGN News ! This just in!

Browning has done the "tactical thang 60 or more years ago"..
Browning A-5s were used a lot by British forces in WWII in Burma for counter ambush work. Proved as effective as an SMG in repelling jungle ambushes and with only five shots!

Next on Brownings 2007 Tactical List ? One of their semi-autos in matte black with a 20"brl? How could they go wrong? Imagine the "Flight to Quality" as all those Perfectly Functional but "Rattle City" Remingtons all aftermarketed added on shotguns are traded in for something "more low profile" as the Browning is here. Essentially just a pump with an extended mag.

Why you could almost go duck hunting or pheasant shooting with the new Browning and not attract much attention. No folding stock or side saddle or ghost ring sights.

Just cut off and install in your Browning 2007 Tactical Matte Black Way Cool pump shotgun a piece of broom handle for the "three shots only" shotgun plug and away you go! On to duck hunting or pheasant hunting. Flushing em up close wont need any fancy choke.

The Browning would be great for one of those around the world cruises in your houseboat as well..is it fair to say it would serve well ina "Repell All Boarders" role? And not look too "menacing" in a gun rack on the bridge with some distress flares? Or still work after being submerged in a sinking ship to fire and launch the S.O.S. distress flares?

Bottom eject has served well in other designs than shotguns. For example one of the most reliable ever LMS the Bren was bottom eject.

IS it possible that USA VP #### Cheney may trade in his over under 12 ga for one of these in Iraq trips? I hear that his pricey over & under is up for sale after his recent Texas hunting trip episode.

Instead of "I thought I saw a pheasant" he has changed to another tune.

"I heard a Boom!" (remark attributed to VP Cheny in NY Times report of the 23 KIA by suicide bomber targetting VP Cheney in Iraq this past week)

"Yes Virginia, there is a Deja Vu All Over Again!" (Yogi Berra, 1951)[/QUOTE]
 
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Thx. for the history lesson and info sonofpaleface, I guess another model to choose from in the pump action market would only be a good thing. From your experience it sounds as though bottom ejection has its advantages. I sold a perfectly good winchester 1300 to build an "aftermarketed" rattley remington 870. There was never anything wrong with the winchester, just not as many goodies out there for it.


Cheers,
Mad Mikey. :)
 
I handled one of these today. Very nice, solid feel to it. Steel receiver, alloy trigger guard. I think it was $450.
It didn't make me change my mind about getting a Fabarm though..
 
20" barrel? Cylinder bore? Bead sights? How positively 1950's of them.:rolleyes:

I'm also not entranced with the BPS and the "benefits" of bottom eject. For my purposes, side-ejecting is preferable in a PC (Predator Control) shotgun.

I'll stick with my 870 with a modified choke and rifle sights.
 
bill c68 said:
I like the Remmy 870, a good utiltarian pump but the Browning IMO is far superior, much smoother action, very reliable, ambidextrous (bottom eject and tang safety)
I have owned both and have neither, but I would rather a BPS than an 870.
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870 is made in right and left hand versions. All be it I am not an owner of one I have fondled the 870 in right handed and as soon as I get my tax returns in 870 LH it is.
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
...call me closed-minded but my first reaction would be anything but excited.
what features are they bringing to the table besides the "browning" name that are innovative or are going to help them corner this market :confused: :)
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Uhhm... the bottom feed/eject in matte black with a 7+1 round count... an alternative to seeing the smae old same old?
 
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This thing is missing a Speedfeed stock and a 14" barrel...
 
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