Browning Hells canyon long range. Good or Bad

There is probably some confusion with the model...one (Hells Canyon Speed Long Range) comes in a McMillan stock, has faster then standard twist rates, and is a bit pricey.
http://www.browning.com/products/fi.../x-bolt-hells-canyon-long-range-mcmillan.html
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Hells Canyon Speed and Hells Canyon Long Range are the regular stock Xbolts.
 
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powdergun said:
I have seen the Hells Canyon for $1500. Who is selling Bergara and what do they go for ?
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The HMR is $1500+, It's basically a Spanish Rem 700 with the gas containment (3 rings of steel) compromised by adding a sliding/swing extractor. Already reports of pierced primers blowing the bolt shroud apart which is right in front of your eyes/face.
I'd take Japanese Miroku quality over anything Spanish any day.
 
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Hitzy said:
The HMR is $1500+, It's basically a Spanish Rem 700 with the gas containment (3 rings of steel) compromised by adding a sliding/swing extractor. Already reports of pierced primers blowing the bolt shroud apart which is right in front of your eyes/face.
I'd take Japanese Miroku quality over anything Spanish any day.
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Can you reference some of these problems please?
 
Falconflyer said:
Can you reference some of these problems please?
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Lots of info here on the 3 rings of steel
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...o-M16-extractor-on-Rem-700-comprises-strength
Also if you read the FAQ's on the Bergara site, pierced primers were cracking bolt shrouds, that should not happen in a well designed action. Your eyeballs are right there.
http://blog.bergarausa.com/bergara-broken-bolt-shrouds/
Few different QC issues on ARF here
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Precision-Rifles/Kinda-pissed-at-Bergara/3-7651/
 
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Well, I'm not trying to defend Bergara but I'm not ready to condemn them either.

As for the 3 rings of steel thing, I don't see the Bergara name mentioned anywhere in that post so I'm not really sure what your trying to point out.

Bolt shrouds cracking in rifles chambered in 6.5 CM caliber. Bergara seems to be blaming hand loaders using CCI primers and maybe they are loading a bit hot but I agree with you here, they shouldn't break!

This QC issue post seems to have 3 or 4 guys complaining about issues with their rifles and rightly so as a new rifle should be trouble free however, we all know that people who have issues with a new purchase love to complain about them online whereas people who don't have problems tend not to make a fuss.
 
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Falconflyer said:
Well, I'm not trying to defend Bergara but I'm not ready to condemn them either.

As for the 3 rings of steel thing, I don't see the Bergara name mentioned anywhere in that post so I'm not really sure what your trying to point out.

Bolt shrouds cracking in rifles chambered in 6.5 CM caliber. Bergara seems to be blaming hand loaders using CCI primers and maybe they are loading a bit hot but I agree with you here, they shouldn't break!

This QC issue post seems to have 3 or 4 guys complaining about issues with their rifles and rightly so as a new rifle should be trouble free however, we all know that people who have issues with a new purchase love to complain about them online whereas people who don't have problems tend not to make a fuss.
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Basically what makes a Rem 700 the safest action out there, is the gas containment design is the best there is by using those 3 rings of steel. Everything gets vented out the muzzle, nothing towards the shooter.
For Bergara to copy most of the design but add an external extractor weakens the gas containment and turns it into a "gas venting" action, which they didn't do enough research on since pierced primers blow shrouds.
He did say most were handloads with SRP not all, meaning it happened with LRP and factory ammo as well. I've had a half dozen pierced primers from Winchester, they had a few million defective ones go out, zero damage to my Howa/Vanguard's and 700's that they happened in. Only reason I even knew was a bit of smoke in the mag well on the Howa, other 2 rifles I didn't notice until I extracted the cartridge and saw black all over the head.
 
Alright, I'm following the line of thinking now. I didn't realize that the Bergara bolt used an external extractor so I didn't put the two together, thanks for pointing that out.

I didn't have any of those bad primers from Winchester, at least not yet, but I have some unused primers from that time period.
 
b72471 said:
The 7 twist is too fast even for a slow cartridge like the creedmoor. Twist rate for a 6.5 has been proven out by the Swedes.
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More and more rifles are offered now with faster twist bbls. A good example is the 223 which was usually 1:12", but is now quite common in 1:8" to accommodate the much longer LR bullet. It is not likely that the Swedes were using such bullets when the 6.5x55 was 1st offered for military use. That 1:7" twist would probably work fine in the CM.
 
The first thing I did was check to see what the rate of twist was, and its relatively quick for caliber which is good for the long, heavy, high BC bullets that are typically chosen for long range shooting. Browning rifles aren't my favorite, but there are usually wonderfully accurate and smooth cycling, so I don't really see a downside. As per cost, a long range custom rifle, will cost the customer much more than the off the rack Browning.
 
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