Building a 9mm major open gun on a G17 platform?

[mlehtovaara]

So I have seen a few of these in some youtube videos and was curious if Canadian IPSC rules work the same as the US in regards to 9mm major in open division.

Also curious if anyone has done such a thing and knows what's involved other than obviously upgrading the barrel?

Just seems like a relatively cheap way to get into open, and there seems to be lots of cheap options that can get a G17 there.

Thanks
M

 

[TACTICAL111]

So I have seen a few of these in some youtube videos and was curious if Canadian IPSC rules work the same as the US in regards to 9mm major in open division.

Also curious if anyone has done such a thing and knows what's involved other than obviously upgrading the barrel?

Just seems like a relatively cheap way to get into open, and there seems to be lots of cheap options that can get a G17 there.

Thanks
M

You're really serious about this
Not much help since I don't compete, but I plan to, so tagged for interest

 

[Canuck223]

Are you ####ing kidding? It was a ghey idea in 1990 when hi-cap guns were not common. It's bordering on grounds for a form 1 commital today.

 

[mlehtovaara]

Thanks for that very uninformative, and unhelpful post!

Might try explaining the issues, and downfalls of such an idea instead.

Again, thanks for your post.

 

[TACTICAL111]

Thanks for that very uninformative, and unhelpful post!

Might try explaining the issues, and downfalls of such an idea instead.

Again, thanks for your post.

Agreed....WTF? I'll leave it at that.

Can't post the vid directly, but Dave with a G17 custom seems to have NO problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDrsQN3LoWw&feature=related

Maybe we can move on to more informative posts

 

[Splatter]

I shot 9mm Major in the late 80's.
The most important thing is that you need a fully supported chamber. I had a few "blow-outs" which resulted in magazines getting punched out of the gun and ending-up wrecked, and it also wrecked a few sets of grips and gave me some interesting scars in my right palm!
Personally I think 9mmMajor is a great idea for competition.
As or it working in the Glock? Certainly not with the stock barrel.
With our current mag restrictions both in the real world and in competition, I think .40S&W makes more sense. It's easy to find a gun that holds 10 rounds and it's easy to make major. Heck, 10 shot .45's are not that uncommon.
If we were to return to a reality where the only restrictions on mag capacity were the physical size of the mags, I would totally advise you to return to the 9mmMajor.

 

[Canuck223]

Thanks for that very uninformative, and unhelpful post!

Might try explaining the issues, and downfalls of such an idea instead.

Again, thanks for your post.

Where to begin.

Craptastic scope mounting options or limited to a slide ride.
Craptastic striker fired trigger.
Standard length magazine so higher pressures.

Put together a parts list, then compare the cost of the gun you will probably dump this abortion for in a year.

Can you race with the big boys by stuffing a Porsche 911 motor into a VW Bug? Sure, and the point would be what???

 

[mlehtovaara]

I guess the draw to the Glock 17, is that I already have 1 and all the gear, and reloading equipment as I am considering starting in production.

The videos I have seen are of a couple SJC builds, and seems like a really cheap way to get into open.

Just here for opinions so keep em coming.

Thanks

 

[mlehtovaara]

Where to begin.

Craptastic scope mounting options or limited to a slide ride.
Craptastic striker fired trigger.
Standard length magazine so higher pressures.

Put together a parts list, then compare the cost of the gun you will probably dump this abortion for in a year.

Can you race with the big boys by stuffing a Porsche 911 motor into a VW Bug? Sure, and the point would be what???

Using a car analogy isn't gonna get you far in this argument.

I have built a couple ####box honda civics into 12 second cars.

As I mentioned I am just looking at options, and asking questions. I don't need your condescending attitude!

Go find another thread to get angry on!

 

[babo_al]

I don’t see any reason to why not , below 2 of my open 9mm open major guns who where build from G17 and Tanfoglio Stock II production gun .
And as far as competing all I can tell you is this
I went to last WSH with an $1800 production gun and got my ass kicked from the guy that was using Glock ,Berreta , and the one using Grand Power …..

 

[TACTICAL111]

Using a car analogy isn't gonna get you far in this argument.

I have built a couple s**tbox honda civics into 12 second cars.

Agreed again. I have been beaten by 250cc 2 strokes while in a 1000cc fire breathing monster through the twisties.
What made the difference....the RIDER.

I have competed in golf all my life (30 years)
Being extremely talented in this field I have beaten others with 5 clubs which were made in the 70's just to make a point. And my point was made.

One can have clubs made of unobtainium diamonds crafted by Zeus himself , it matters not ONE iota.

Can we get this back on topic

 

[OKTREE]

My first IPSC gun in the early 90s was a G17L (integrated comp [ported] factory barrel) using the factory barrel and shooting the old Major. I was the second owner of this gun and had not a single problem with it. Did not have any functioning or high pressure problems until I 'traded up' to a custom McCormik/STI with Nowlin barrel.

 

[john simmons]

I shoot 9major and think it's a great way to go. As for your glock build, have you priced out all the parts you need? Not sure that it would end up being cheaper in the long run.
Personally i would think a good used open gun would end up being cheaper and maybe less hassle.

 

[safety first]

never mind

 

[ffgats]

the glock magazine can take ammo with a 1.170 oal using a FMJ. which almost the same oal with my 1911 flatform. this is very important because you need that room for the powder, however auto comp is a good candidate for for load since it wont take to much on the case. Just make sure that you get a barrel witha fully supported chamber otherwise your in trouble. maybe you can do some math on the parts needed.
bbl, comp,mount and scope, titanuim striker, minus connector. magwell.
good luck

 

[YoungGun85]

The real question is why would you spend the extra cash to build a sub standard tool? Sure you can do it cheap but unless you are such a good shooter that you think you can overcome all the downfalls of the glock platform (####ty heavy trigger, light gun, poor sight mounting options) and still out shoot your competition you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The good news is at some clubs barely anyone shoots open so you could still hope win your division in a match by default. If you are at the level where you shoot well enough to be competitive in open with a glock, you likely spend enough money on ammo over a year to make the "proper" 2011 or cz based gun justifiable.

 

[maurice]

I don’t see any reason to why not , below 2 of my open 9mm open major guns who where build from G17 and Tanfoglio Stock II production gun .
And as far as competing all I can tell you is this
I went to last WSH with an $1800 production gun and got my ass kicked from the guy that was using Glock ,Berreta , and the one using Grand Power …..

Cool. Can I ask you why you did not just buy a Small frame 9mm major Open gun...(Eric Tanfoglio)?

 

[babo_al]

Well I had 2 Stock II this was the backup production gun and was not getting much use , so got the compensator from the Tanfo web site converted the trigger to single action ,just drop in parts from Henning and had my friend/gunsmith machine and thread the barrel to fit the comp . Considering I already had the gun this was a better option.

Cool. Can I ask you why you did not just buy a Small frame 9mm major Open gun...(Eric Tanfoglio)?

 

[Saffer]

I was in a similar situation when I decided to venture in to Open, since I already owned a Glock 17. In the end I chose not to use the Glock platform, but acquired an STI Trubor instead, and have recently added a Jim Anglin STI custom to the collection.

The reason I didn't go with the Glock was because of the trigger. You can fiddle with it all you like, and get the pull weight down to around 2.5lb if you like, but it remains a spongy, crappy trigger. Yes, it is cheaper to build, but you will run into hassles trying to source the parts in Canada. You will need to buy most of your parts in the US and that means that you will need to navigate the myriad regulations. On top of that the scope mount options are not great, and a slide mount didn't appeal to me. Then you have to consider your holster; will the gun fit with the scope mount that you choose? Also, if it is 9mm Major, you need to consider the bullet OAL. A longer bullet does not clear the ejection port (at least with the Gen 4 it doesn't), so you will need to enlarge the port too.

But it is certainly doable, probably competitive at most levels but not without a few headaches. Ultimately 1911 type pistols remain dominant given the options available, and you can't beat the trigger.