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Jayph

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For 10 years I had shot everything (deer/moose/antelope) with Hornady BTSP bullets. I had never lost an animal and most of the them were found right wear they were standing when I shot.

The last few years I have been reading the internet and magazines and decided I would try a premium bullet. First off I grabbed some nosler partitions and they were great. Similar wound chanels to the BTSP but always an exit. But then I got reading about the Accubond and so I decided to try them this year. they shot a tad bit better but not enough to really notice on game at normal ranges. I shot my first deer with them and was very dissapointed. I knew I made a good shot but the deer just dropped his shoulder and took off on a funny run. I tracked the deer down shortly after and found him covered in blood struggling to lift his head and he needed another round. he would of eventually died from the first shot but still not what a guy likes to see.

After I got him home and skinned out I found the bullet in the same shoulder that I shot at, this was very troublesome. The nose kind of sheard back a bit and some shrapnel is what flew into the lungs that cause the little bit of damage. I have always been able to punch through the shoulders with the BTSP I couldn't believe this actually happened. I had read about it but never believed it.

So did I get a bad bullet? It defenetly soured my opinion on them. It got me wondering if peoples opinions based on bullets comes from things like these. You know guy hates the TSX/Cup and core/Ballistic tip. Then a whole bunch of people jump in and say that they work fine and make it sound like he is lieing. I know thats true with me I would defend the cup and core BTSP anytime someone reported a failure because from first hand expierience they worked just fine. But now I have my own story and that made me wonder if bullet failure can happen with any bullet no matter the construction/price/material/brand name. It's just a matter of what you are shooting when it happens that forms your opinions.

Shot was about 200 yards give or take with a .25-06 110gr Accubond. I am working right now but will post pictures later today of the bullet. For those guys that will say that I got the deer so how can I call it a failure, All I can say is what I seen would not be associated with any other word.

Jason
 
Hornady BTSP bullets. I had never lost an animal and most of the them were found right wear they were standing when I shot.

I use these also 165 grain and have had very good Success ,I don't plan on changing why would I ?
 
muckle said:
Hornady BTSP bullets. I had never lost an animal and most of the them were found right wear they were standing when I shot.

I use these also 165 grain and have had very good Success ,I don't plan on changing why would I ?
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Not sure I know what you mean? Iam not trying to get people to change. I ran out of what I had and wanted to try different bullets and Iam telling my story. After what I seen and the cost of the premium bullets I will likely go back.
 
I've been shooting the Interbonds in my 30.06 and my sons 7-08 for a few years now. Never had any issues you speak of. For the pennies per bullet increase in cost over the BTSP I won't be switching. Maybe you have a bad box, but till you shoot another critter we'll never know. That and maybe the specifics of that shot may be the factor. An inch different POI and you may not have a reason to ask us "whats up!!!"
 
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My experience with accubond has been good shooting them in a 270wsm. With deer I have never recovered one. They go right through and the deer don't go far. I have recovered two from moose. Both of them have mushroomed perfectly with high weight retention even after going through the shoulder. Both were found under the hide on the far side. With moose shot through the lungs, they have gone right through.
 
I'd suggest contacting Nosler, that is not typical performance from an Accubond bullet, most likely they would want to hear about it and correct whatever went wrong to prevent anything like that from occuring again.
Every deer I shot with an Accubond was was dead on the spot, but I was using a bit more gun tho.

If you like I can mention it on their forum or you can call them @ 1 800 285 3701. Not sure what extension to get you to whoever you need to talk too there, but I will find out.

JT.
 
WOW?

It looks like it hit something....Strange.
Can you post a picture of the other side of the bullet?
Shoot enough and you will see strange things happen.

I bet Nosler will want the box of bullets back for testing. I would give then a call...Good people there.
 
jtoews80 said:
I'd suggest contacting Nosler, that is not typical performance from an Accubond bullet, most likely they would want to hear about it and correct whatever went wrong to prevent anything like that from occuring again.
Every deer I shot with an Accubond was was dead on the spot, but I was using a bit more gun tho.

If you like I can mention it on their forum or you can call them @ 1 800 285 3701. Not sure what extension to get you to whoever you need to talk too there, but I will find out.

JT.
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I don't think the size of the round matters too much with deer as this same rifle the year before with 115gr partitions flattened 5 large mule deer DRT.
 
X-fan said:
WOW?

It looks like it hit something....Strange.
Can you post a picture of the other side of the bullet?
Shoot enough and you will see strange things happen.

I bet Nosler will want the box of bullets back for testing. I would give then a call...Good people there.
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yup never seen a bullet like that before I have seen a core seperate but the animal fell right there and the damage was extensive. Never had one do that though.

There are no bullets left. I handloaded the BTSP and partitions but the accubond was fired from factory loaded ammo, I had a deer tag and wanted to try them before making the switch from partitions. After the incidend I just burned up the remaining ones at the range.
I put it in the reloading forum because it was a component that failed the ammo itself shot quite well.
 
Jayph, just guessing (in the time honoured CGN tradition!) but could you have clipped a twig or something before the deer? I seen some strange stuff happen with bullets, and it does not take much to screw things up. I once had a buddy take shot at a deer at 200 yards with factory Win Failsafe's out of his 30-06. Deer took off, a bit of hair but no blood. He ended up killing it with the same ammo 2 days later from almost 300, a through and through. When he skinned the deer, not a 1/2 inch under the hide in the shoulder was a 165 failsafe, completely unopened. Explain that one.
 
Well that's good to know that the Hornady BTSP bullets are good for hunting, I'm working up a load of 7.62x39 with them right now for my 858.
 
Pudelpointer said:
Jayph, just guessing (in the time honoured CGN tradition!) but could you have clipped a twig or something before the deer? I seen some strange stuff happen with bullets, and it does not take much to screw things up. I once had a buddy take shot at a deer at 200 yards with factory Win Failsafe's out of his 30-06. Deer took off, a bit of hair but no blood. He ended up killing it with the same ammo 2 days later from almost 300, a through and through. When he skinned the deer, not a 1/2 inch under the hide in the shoulder was a 165 failsafe, completely unopened. Explain that one.
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The only thing between me and the deer was short cut stubble. I wish it was in trees as then I could chalk it up to that. Thats crazy about the failsafe.
 
Jayph,
I've shot so many animals with the plain old boreing Hornady interlock flatbase that I sometimes I wonder why I even bother with the "designer" bullets. Ross Seifreid once described them as the cheapest of the premium hunting bullets.
 
Dogleg said:
Jayph,
I've shot so many animals with the plain old boreing Hornady interlock flatbase that I sometimes I wonder why I even bother with the "designer" bullets. Ross Seifreid once described them as the cheapest of the premium hunting bullets.
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My father has been shooting the hornady's since I was old enough to remember. He gave me the whole why change if it's not broke. You don't need a better bullet to kill deer. It's stupid to spend that much on bullets ect ect speaches and after we found that bullet I have been reminded about his wisdom ..........alot. :D
 
Are we talking "Accubonds or Interbonds??" From post #6 on I'm confused ;)

The bullets don't look that bad, especially if the shot was as some angle, what did the meat look like???
 
Steeleco said:
Are we talking "Accubonds or Interbonds??" From post #6 on I'm confused ;)

The bullets don't look that bad, especially if the shot was as some angle, what did the meat look like???
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Nosler Accubond. It was a broadside shot that hit shoulder. The meat was tore up around wear the bullet hit just got no penatration.
 
Steeleco said:
The bullets don't look that bad
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Maybe? Iam not sure but I got use to either a exit wound and a dead animal or a dead animal and a bullet that looks like this. This Hornady bullet was from a deer that was shot very similar. Hit the front shoulder and busted through, the internals were like soup and busted the other shoulder and I found it just under the hide. This is what I like my bullets to look like when I find them. Iam thinking I just got a bad bullet cause I have seen plenty of nice mushroomed accubonds and it seems pretty popular for african plains game that are alot tuffer than deer so I don't know what to think.



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