Bullet from the battle of 1812

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Hi i used to live in Niagara Falls Ontario in the house that i live at was on the Battle of Lundy's Lane . I was putting up a fence with the neighbor digging out the holes for the post when we found 4 rounds in the dirt now i know that the Americans were using Muscot balls .54 or .58 calibers But the British were using bullets these ones here look like copper shells with lead bullet if i knew how to put a picture of it on here i would, can anybody tell me What the British were using back then the round looks like about the size of 35 remington but doesnt have a primer on the bottom of it . Has a plus mark on it . These rounds are still live and almost 200 years old . Someboby told me that it might be old Sharp round but not knowing.Rick
 
Rigmover said:
Hi i used to live in Niagara Falls Ontario in the house that i live at was on the Battle of Lundy's Lane . I was putting up a fence with the neighbor digging out the holes for the post when we found 4 rounds in the dirt now i know that the Americans were using Muscot balls .54 or .58 calibers But the British were using bullets these ones here look like copper shells with lead bullet if i knew how to put a picture of it on here i would, can anybody tell me What the British were using back then the round looks like about the size of 35 remington but doesnt have a primer on the bottom of it . Has a plus mark on it . These rounds are still live and almost 200 years old . Someboby told me that it might be old Sharp round but not knowing.Rick
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If there is copper involved, the earliest the rounds could date to is 1860ish. Copper cartridge cases started coming into general use after about 1863.

The earliest British service rifle cartridge (.577 Snider) used an iron base with the wall formed from coiled sheets of brass or copper. This cartridge case type evolved into the drawn brass cases we know today.

Cartridges during the 1812 period consisted of a .69 cal lead ball & black powder contained in a paper cartridge.

The cartridge was torn and the powder was dumped into the barrel. Part of the cartridge paper was used as "wadding" to hold the powder in place.

Then the bullet was rammed home on top of the powder. If there was time the remaining paper may have been used to hold the round bullet into place.

Elongated (minie) bullets were not developed until about 1840ish.

http://www cartridgecollectors.org/ add the .


cartridgecollectors.org/glossary.htm
 
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without a photo and some accurate dimensions, we are guessing wildly but the copper case and the + make me wonder if the shells are for the .41 Swiss (verterli rifle). A short bottleneck rimfire copper case.

cheers mooncoon
 
Not 1812 shell but a 41 Swiss.

mooncoon said:
without a photo and some accurate dimensions, we are guessing wildly but the copper case and the + make me wonder if the shells are for the .41 Swiss (verterli rifle). A short bottleneck rimfire copper case.

cheers mooncoon
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Exactly Mooncoon you,re right . Went and looked it up just what it looks like 41 swiss 1867 cartridge not a war of 1812 bullet Thanks alot learn lots today . Rick:)
 
I thought when you said "The Battle of Lundy's Lane" you meant a couple of guys fighting for front row seats at the strip club there!! :eek:
 
I got lots of bullets from the Niagara and Stoney Creek battles. The are 75 and 66 cal grey, soiled and round .
Also have some grape shot, metal and about 1 1/2 inch dia. .
And a friend has cannon balls from his property on Lake Ontario where the US navy garrisoned.
I used to have a 6 1/2 inch dia. cannon ball with a proof mark, weighing about 24 lbs. . It was quite heavy.
 
The Queens Medalist 86 said:
I got lots of bullets from the Niagara and Stoney Creek battles. The are 75 and 66 cal grey, soiled and round .
Also have some grape shot, metal and about 1 1/2 inch dia. .
And a friend has cannon balls from his property on Lake Ontario where the US navy garrisoned.
I used to have a 6 1/2 inch dia. cannon ball with a proof mark, weighing about 24 lbs. . It was quite heavy.
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Cool have a couple muscot balls dont know what size they are.
 
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