Bullet holes at 400 yards?

peterl

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Boys got me a Bushmaster spotting scope for fathers day.
Bushmaster 20-60 x 60 zoom.
Took to the range today, great at 100 yards (but I can see the holes in my scope) Moved out to 400 yards and I can see the target ok but just can't make out the bullet holes. What do I need to see the holes cleary at 400 yards?
 
a better quality spotting scope... optical clarity is goin to play more of a role then zoom, so if you can only see the target "ok" at 400 your never goin to see bullet holes clearly.

things like the S&B (if u can ever find one for sale) the Swarovski , zeiss, would do the trick and beyond, but your gonna be looking at 2500+ for just about any of them

spotting scopes are just like rifle scopes, minues the x-hairs (in some cases they have those too) so good glass will make a good scope.
 
I am wondering how a telescope would work out?
Maybe too much magnification?


i think it would depend, if your runnng somthing like 125x mag i would imagine that any slight breeze would shake the thing around almost to the point of not being able to see the image, not to mention the mirage that would be picked up.
 
OP, what kind of conditions were you looking at your 400 yard target at.

Was there a lot of mirage???

I have a top of the line spotting scope and it will pick out 22 calibre holes long after the 400 yard mark. When the conditions are not good though, mirage etc, even with this optic, Swarovski, things can be difficult.

I will say right now that out to 600 yards, I haven't been stopped from reading a target yet but small holes under difficult conditions can be hard to see.

For most shooting purposes, even an old Bushnell Spacemaster will do the job. Targets are easily focused on because they don't move. Once you reach a certain point in lens quality, nothing much changes, other than the rare earth coatings that allow for better light absorption and therefore sharper definition under low light conditions.

If you can possibly do it, check out several different types of scopes as well as more than one of the same brand at the time of purchase. Like rifles, not all scopes, even of the same make and model are created equal.

When I bought my Swarovski, from a CGNer, I had just bought out an estate where the fellow was an Ornithologist. Those bird watchers insist on ultra sharp definition.

Every one of those spotting scopes were top of the line. The fellow knew his stuff. His lowest quality spotter was a Burris with an 80mm objective lens. There was very little difference between it and the Zeiss, Leica, Pentax, etc. The differences were really apparent with all of them under low light conditions.

Birds, especially the rarer ones, quite often don't come out during mid day light, so low light definition is highly sought after.

In all honesty, the Swarovski beat all of them. It was also more expensive than all of them, other than the Zeiss, which was about equal in price.

You just can't can't judge the book by the cover and even good authors get it wrong at times.

The thing is, with high end glass, they very seldom get it wrong and even when they do, it's almost undetectable by any but the most astute and fussy user.

I really love being able to scope out a deer/elk/moose at 1500+ yards and be able to check its rack out in the last 15 minutes of shooting light. Sometimes, it means that I will return in the very early morning to try to bag the animal.

That type of perfomance from glass, is a lot more important than seeing bullet holes at those ranges.

Your scope is probably fine for range work and you are most likely screwing up the magnification out of its useful range. Many scopes will not focus clearly at their highest settings, without a lot of fiddling around, even under good light conditions.
 
I use a video camera and a remote transmitter/receiver. At my shooting bench I have a video monitor. It works very well in calm conditions. In windy conditions it is a little spotty at 1000 yards. If I upgrade the transmitter and receiver to use a better antena, I am sure the images will be much better and more stable.

Also it cost less than 200 to put it all together. Can't buy a good spotting scope for that.
 
Last year I tried a vaiety of spotters at a match and settled on the Pentax 80ED which I purchased from site sponsor Cameraland. I think this is the best spotter available until one heads into the $3K or so range.
 
My Kowa TSN 883 is the clearest ,brightest spotting scope that I have used, and that includes the 80mm Swarovski HD. Depending on the target, and on the lighting conditions, and mirage, 400 yard bullet holes can be fairly easy to see, or they can be a challenge.
 
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