Bullet Weight vx. twigs/leaves/stuff

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I live in BC, in the mountains and am surrounded by thick bush. I hear people talk about bullet weights vis a vis a heavier bullet will deflect less if it hits a twig or a branch. I understand this concept, I just don't see how a 180 grain or 200 grain bullet would be able to keep it's course far better than a 150 or a 165 grain. I get that an 800 grain, or whatever a .50 cal launches, might plow through a twig, but does 15 to 30 grains make that big of a difference?
 
To some Degree, on either ends of the scale of Velocity and Weight...

But still very little of a difference.

a 270 at 3000fps would veer off course more than a 375win at 2000fps
 
Due to the number of variables which must be considered, I doubt that the question is a simple one to answer. Clearly an impact with any thicker than air obstruction between muzzle and target will have some effect on a bullet’s flight, the question is how much and at what point it matters.

The parameters influencing a bullet’s tolerance to glancing impacts is determined by: the style and construction of the bullet, its length, spin velocity, impact velocity, and the bullet's attitude in flight when it hits an obstruction. The obstruction need not be great, as a bullet in flight is affected by the impact with anything denser than air.

The bullet's style and construction, as well as its length, come into play. The stronger a bullet's construction, the less its deformed upon impact with an obstruction. A solid for example deforms less then a thin skinned varmint bullet when impact velocity and impact angle are the same. That said, the faster the bullet impacts, the greater the chance of deformation, regardless of construction or style. The more the bullet deforms, the less stable it becomes. The shorter the bullet, the more difficult it is to affect its stability by impact with an obstruction; the short bullet typically flies with less yaw than a longer bullet, so any impact with an obstruction is more likely at the front of the bullet, where an impact near the heal of the bullet more easily deflects it. A flat nosed bullet has a center of gravity closer to its dimensional center, whereas a sptizer styled bullet has a center of gravity near its heel; thus the flat nosed bullet is more stable in flight and less likely to swap ends when it encounters a denser than air obstruction. A bullet with parallel sides is less effected by glancing impacts than is a tapered bullet.

The bullet's spin velocity and its yaw are related. The faster the bullet spins, the more quickly it recovers from yaw. Typically the bullet yaws twice in flight, one upon leaving the muzzle and again when impacting a denser than air target. The faster the bullet recovers from yaw, the less deflection there will be as a result of a glancing impact with an object in front of the target.

The density of the obstruction and the angle of impact have a great effect on the bullet path. If for example the bullet hits a very dense and hard obstruction at a 9-12 degree angle, the bullet will tend to deflect (read ricochet) away from it. When shooting through brush, the angle of impact is impossible to predetermine, but it is unlikely that there is any natural obstruction short of a rock that the bullet could not defeat and continue past. If shooting prone, and your bullet impacts a rise in the ground before your target, good luck getting a good hit, or any hit for that matter.

If the point is to shoot through heavy vegetation with the least amount of disruption to the bullet’s flight, we would look for a short, flat base, nonexpanding bullet, with a wide meplat, travelling at moderate velocity, from a fast twist barrel. Now whether this combination represents the best choice for the type of hunting you do might be subject to some discussion, but at close range, where shooting through vegetation is often a problem, it would undoubtedly be the most effective.
 
A 338gr 50 cal at bout 1600fps caan deflect enough from a 1" branch to hit a deer in the back hip when the crosshairs where on the neck. Range 40 yards. Branch 15 yards. Still got the deer but took a lot of **** for ass shooting it when I radioed in I shot one in the neck
 
Many experiments have been conducted, and the usual result is that once a bullet hits an object, regardless of the bullet weight or shape, you can't rely on it hitting the vital zone of an animal. Most experiments show that the bullet weight and velocity make very little difference. The link shown on this thread is not one of the more realist experiments either, in that the bullets were fired through the center of the dowels, whereas hitting the edges of the dowels often produces very different results.
 
I shot my moose or the run this year. What I didn't realize when I pulled the trigger is that the light brush I was shooting through was actually some fairly heavy aspen. I put a 210 gr Partition through the side of 1.5" tree. Left about a 1" scar through it. Anyhoo through sheer dumb ass luck the bullet deflected and hit that youg bull square in the back of the head and dropped him like a stone.He was about 60 yards away and quartering away from me. The point of impact was about 3 feet from where I was aiming. By all rights I should have clear missed him or winged him and lost him in the bush somewhere. I got super lucky and learned my lesson. Twig=deflection=miss 98% of the time. In my opinion it's the size of the twig that matters more than the size of the bullet.
 
Always have a clear unobstructed view of your target and where you are going to aim.Plain and simple.

It is basic firearms safety and it is there for a reason.Take a shot through cover, bullet deflects hits another individual hunting..............................well, you just became the latest news story not to mention tracking wounded game from a less than perfect impact.

Bottom line - no clear shot, no pull trigger , wait for the next opportunity.
 
I have shot lots of running game, some in thick dense brush. When in the thick stuff your chances of missing greatly increase due to bullet obstructions, no matter how great your skills are.

Knowing where you are, what else is out there with you, and what can happen to your bullet is something every hunter MUST know when they intend to fire a round of any size or type at game.

I have had twigs send 30-30 rounds astray, 44 mag, 303 British and 7 mm STW. My experience tells me it doesn't matter what you are carrying, it will miss the intended target if the bullet connects with anything during flight.
 
Distance from muzzle to twig to target is critical too. If you shoot a deer at say 50 yards and the bullet strikes something at mid trajectory then you will, in all likelihood, miss the vital zone and perhaps the entire deer. If, however, you shoot that same deer where the twig is a mere meter or two from the animal, you will probably end up with a POI pretty close to where you aimed. The angle of deflection will not have scribed a sufficiently large arc to affect the accuracy of the shot much in this scenario.
 
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