Bullpup vs AR

A lot of videos only compare OAL but not LOP.

OAL is a great metric once the rifle is in the "carry mode" or "storage mode".

But LOP is the metric for controlling the " usage mode", the transitioning from one usage mode to another usage mode as the rifle goes from hight-low-ready back and forth, especially at speed -of course this is relative to body size but fixed LOP means smaller guys are out of luck - hence X95 cut the LOP from T21.

The longer the LOP and the more things behind the pistol grip (mag), the more time and more chance of things getting hooked in the process of moving the butt from under the shoulder or over the shoulder. Repeat that extras 1" of arm movement for 100 times in a day if this is used for work. Yeh, that's a lot.
 
Good point Greentips, I'm 6'2" never considered how they would handle for shorter people..... Are the T-97's shorter then the Tavor's at the rear end?
 
Can-down said:
Good point Greentips, I'm 6'2" never considered how they would handle for shorter people..... Are the T-97's shorter then the Tavor's at the rear end?
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The original TAVOR IIRC has its LOP as long as the M16A2. I guess T97 is much shorter in LOP. T97 is a pretty compact rifle.
 
Generally speaking people tend to favour a LOP that is too short.

Pushing further out from your chest often gives you better control of the weapon.
 
Daver_II said:
Generally speaking people tend to favour a LOP that is too short.

Pushing further out from your chest often gives you better control of the weapon.
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It is very much depending on the body size and arm mobility, but also influences from watching whatever videos of the day.

I found "stronger" guys like or can tolerate "shorter relative LOP to their body size" , compared to smaller or weak guys.

Strong guys with stronger arms and higher absolute grip strength. They can achieve the same hold using a low % of their full strength, even if they they have to bend their wrist much more .

Say a weaker person maxi output is 75% of a stronger person. This means bigger/strongers guys can tolerate a lot of imperfect techniques. Even they may only have 60% efficiency, they can still rate high than a weaker person who is less than 80% efficient.

In qualitative terms, a strong guy can have a bit of discomfort but as long as he can out still out put 60%, a weak guy will have to have picture perfect techniques just to be even.

Hence strong and big people get away with imperfect techniques, smaller and weaker people need to be much better with their techniques to be even. This is NO different with a lot of sports. If you are a runner, the people with longer legs will always have advantages.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The thick OEM X95 butt pad is too sticky. The thin IDF butt plate is a big improvement. Shortens LOP and allows the butt to slide nicely into the shoulder.
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The original TAR21's rubber buttpad angled inwards, so it couldn't catch on anything. The X95's buttpad really is just for US OAL compliance. It doesnt apply to us so everyone should ditch it first opprotunity, the flat buttplate is a HUGE improvement.

greentips said:
The original TAVOR IIRC has its LOP as long as the M16A2. I guess T97 is much shorter in LOP. T97 is a pretty compact rifle.
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I actually suspect the entire reason for the T97's linear hammer was it was the easiest way to shorten the receiver (and therefore LOP) while keeping the AK BCG
 
Good discussion here. I got the chance to handle a friend's Tavor at the range and fire some rounds years ago, and I was very impressed with the ergonomics and overall quality. As I recall, the trigger wasn't that bad either. Not sure if he had an aftermarket one or not. The rifle made a strong impression on me, and in a good way, and I remember commenting that the manual of arms was weird, but that if I had been trained on it from the get go, I'm sure it would easily become second nature.

That was during my army career, and after nine years as an infantry reservist training with the C7, the manual of arms of the AR platform is pretty well ingrained at this point, hence why I have a WK180C G2 and not a Tavor lol. The muscle memory is so strong that once when doing some rapid fire, tactical style shooting with my SU-16, I went to slap the bolt release after a reload lol.

Both platforms have advantages and disadvantages, for sure, and there is an element of preference involved. The compactness without sacrificing barrel length is a huge plus of the bullpups that shouldn't be underestimated, though.
 
It's probably the only thing many of us can thank Trudeau and his clown caucus for. If it weren't for his complete incompetence that saw him effectively ban the use of AR's from law abiding citizens the fcking tyrant, reasoning that no one Indians exempt needs a "military" rifle for hunting unless of course deer need to be culled on an Island...then we'll hire Americans and helicopters with their AR's . So, despite the fact many of our AR's aren't military anything, we locked them up, and drumrollll, that's right actually bought military bullpups that originate from ISRAELI MILITARY INDUSTRIES!?

Can't make this sh1t up.
 
I prefer the AR platform but I got rid of them shortly after the long gun registry was terminated. I believed at the time that should a future government put in a ban that having them registered would make them an easier target for confiscation.
 
We can have any number of modern bullpup rifles but we can't have the AUG simply because it was around at the time C68 bans were implemented.
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We can't have the Steyr AUG or the HK-MP5 because of what happened at Nakatomi Plaza in 1988.
 
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