Butchers in Kamloops

[AbdullahD]

anyone know of any good ones? bad ones? prices?

going out mid november, so just curious on whose who around these parts.

 

[BigUglyMan]

Butchering is best done as a DIY project. Learn to process it yourself and you will always have good meat in the freezer. Leave it to the "pros" and you'll end up disappointed more often than not.

 

[AbdullahD]

Butchering is best done as a DIY project. Learn to process it yourself and you will always have good meat in the freezer. Leave it to the "pros" and you'll end up disappointed more often than not.

Now that is very good advice, dont get me wrong, but I dont have money to buy a grinder and tools etc nor the time to do it myself right now. Maybe next year or the one thereafter the local university actually offers butchering courses and ive thought about taking a short one for my personal knowledge, but this season at least im not motivated to do it myself. (also the wife likes professional level cutting)

 

[45ACPKING]

Dunno about kamloops but 100 mile house has a couple fantastic game cutters/sausage makers. Butcher Bob in Forest Grove is outstanding. His work is well regarded on BC's various hunting forums.

 

[two-dogs]

ask Looky, he will know.

Speaking of Looky, where is he? I haven't seen him around for a while!

 

['Boo]

No halal butchers in the interior that I am aware of.

 

[t-star]

I was specting dat

 

[notyalc]

Dunno about kamloops but 100 mile house has a couple fantastic game cutters/sausage makers. Butcher Bob in Forest Grove is outstanding. His work is well regarded on BC's various hunting forums.

I second that! Butcher bob all the way! I've never been disappointed and I know lots of others that use him as well and would say the same.

 

[BigUglyMan]

Now that is very good advice, dont get me wrong, but I dont have money to buy a grinder and tools etc nor the time to do it myself right now. Maybe next year or the one thereafter the local university actually offers butchering courses and ive thought about taking a short one for my personal knowledge, but this season at least im not motivated to do it myself. (also the wife likes professional level cutting)

That's reasonable. One thing I recommend is to specify and insist that they completely debone the meat. Do not accept anyone telling you that it's fine to leave the bone in. Bone will dramatically change the flavour of the meat. I've never heard anyone say that bone-in meat is better tasting. My first mulie was butchered professionally and the butcher (Hans Luder in Williams Lake) insisted on leaving bone in and I, like an idiot, acquiesced. Ruined a tasty forkie. Worse still I let him cut chops, ruining both the tenderloin and backstraps. I smartened up out of necessity when I moved north and life has been good ever since. I still have my sausage made professionally, but that's a small price to pay. This year I may just venture into the sausage myself.

Here's a cheating tip...buy your wife a Kitchenaid stand mixer for Christmas. You'll be well supplied with cookies and banana bread for the coming year. Then buy the grinder/stuffer attachment for yourself and you'll be off to the races when it comes time to grind meat for burger and eventually sausage. Then add a $100 vacuum sealer and you're laughing. Regardless, take off the tenderloins (and the back straps if you're feeling a little ambitious) and deal with them yourself. Leave the tendies whole and cook them on the BBQ. Season the meat lightly, sear one side, roll it (tendies are kind of three sided) and brush the seared side with melted butter, then repeat for the other two sides. Slice at the table, into medallions family style. They don't take long to sear but make a wicked surf and turf with lobster (lobster cooking diatribe another time). Backstraps get sliced, generously, into steaks. Wrap tightly in Saran wrap, then freezer paper and into the deep freeze.

Don't be afraid to try butchering yourself. Maybe one of the locals could show you the ropes. I hate to recommend Kamlooky but he's the only guy I know around that neck of the woods. And he's probably not as insane as he sounds on here.

 

[AbdullahD]

aye thanks for the info guys.

@BigUglyMan my wife already has one of those machines. she is ok with the attachments too We had a friend butcher our lambs for us and she was lamenting not having ground lamb and found out about this.

100 mile isnt to bad... i have family in bridge lake too so if i cant find anyone around here then maybe that is what ill have to do.

And as for halal. as long as a person doesnt mix other meat in with my meat and cleans the utensils between uses then it is fine. (thats just in case a butcher is reading this)

 

['Boo]

And as for halal. as long as a person doesnt mix other meat in with my meat and cleans the utensils between uses then it is fine. (thats just in case a butcher is reading this)

A typical butcher will not totally clean all equipment between animals to a standard that would ensure your meat remains halal. Also, most butchers will grind burger in batches as it is not cost-effective to totally clean the grinders between each animal. Also, most butcher also cut pork on the premises and again that may come into contact with your meat,

Even hanging in the cooler it is quite likely that your animal - which I assume you are going to kill in conformance with your beliefs - will come into contact with other animals that are haraam.

I suggest you get some good books on butchering and prepare to cut and wrap your animals yourself in order that you don't inadvertently commit a sin against your religion.

 

[Voxx Boxx]

My friend takes his game to TRU where the students in the butcher program process it as they would in a grocery store, complete with styrofoam tray and labels. My relatives take theirs to Interior Cut Rite Meat on Tranquille by the airport and they do a great job.

I've been unsuccessful learning to hunt, so I haven't personally used either.

 

['Boo]

My friend takes his game to TRU where the students in the butcher program process it as they would in a grocery store, complete with styrofoam tray and label

That is probably the worst possible way to freeze meat. The abundance of air in the package along with the light-weight cellophane guarantees the meat will be freezer-burnt in a few weeks. Use heavy-weight vacuum bags or double-wrap in coated butcher paper and your meat will stay in good condition for a year or more.

 

[Voxx Boxx]

That is probably the worst possible way to freeze meat. The abundance of air in the package along with the light-weight cellophane guarantees the meat will be freezer-burnt in a few weeks. Use heavy-weight vacuum bags or double-wrap in coated butcher paper and your meat will stay in good condition for a year or more.

Good to know; thanks for the info.

 

[AbdullahD]

A typical butcher will not totally clean all equipment between animals to a standard that would ensure your meat remains halal. Also, most butchers will grind burger in batches as it is not cost-effective to totally clean the grinders between each animal. Also, most butcher also cut pork on the premises and again that may come into contact with your meat,

Even hanging in the cooler it is quite likely that your animal - which I assume you are going to kill in conformance with your beliefs - will come into contact with other animals that are haraam.

I suggest you get some good books on butchering and prepare to cut and wrap your animals yourself in order that you don't inadvertently commit a sin against your religion.

Veey good points. Ill try to explain a little... im a wee bit sick right now so if i dont make sense sorry.

In Islam there is differing levels of forbidden (Haram) Food. Like pork is Haram, but if your starving or being forced to at threat to your life you can eat it in those instances.

Now Shrimp some scholars say it is permissible and others say it is not. So depending on the scholars you follow you can or cant eat it. So thats another level of Haram/Makruh/Halal

Now Halal is anything that is permissible to eat, but Zabiha is the ritual we have to do (Take the name of god before slitting its throat) so it becomes acceptable for us.

Now in the Islamic belief is that food of the Christian and Jews are permissible for us if slaughtered to our interpretation of their 'proper' beliefs (please understand this is just the Islamic opinion). Which is the name of god has to be taken and the animal needs to bleed out before dying i.e throat cut or some such maneuver. Furthermore some scholars state that if a Christian or Jew kills an animal and it fullfills the bleed to death i.e slit throat or similar style it is permitted even if they dont take the name of god when they kill it because they have faith in god inside their hearts. So if a Christian or Jew or Muslim hunter uses the same butcher i need not worry about their meat if it passes those criterion.

Now lets say pork is processed in the facility (which is highly likely), some jurists say that it is only the meat itself which is Haram. Which if you use that opinion you only need to worry about the meat chunks of the animals which are not permitted. But the Christian slaughtered stuff is still fine.

Now the Butcher would have to guarantee to me that he would clean he utensils before starting on my animals to a fair level of cleanliness i.e a regular wash and sanitization and then they would be fine. Any dishwasher works really.

So if I get that guarantee and they say that they will try to keep my meat segregated were possible. Then in this caseyeat becomes 100% fine for me and no sin will come on me until and unless i come into information that says i was lied too and then all i have to do is avoid it in the future and im fine.

Anywho in conclusion quite a many Canadian Hunters are Christian So i assume wild meat has to hang in a separate area to begin with so it would be hanging with a high probability of the other meat being permissible for me to consume so that is not a big deal. I dont think having people clean the tools i.e knives before my animal is a great big deal so i think that is a small problem too imho...

but the meat grinder.... maybe... just maybe ill be buying the kitchen aid grinder attachment because that would be the best bet...

Abdullah

p.s dont quote me i may have messed this up being sick and out of it.

 

[1899]

Kitchen Aid attachment grinder is junk. Bought one and took it back the next day. Large hand crank grinder would probably be 10x faster and cost less to boot.

 

[tinbird]

Garys European on the North Shore does a good job in Kamloops

 

[BigUglyMan]

Veey good points. Ill try to explain a little... im a wee bit sick right now so if i dont make sense sorry.

In Islam there is differing levels of forbidden (Haram) Food. Like pork is Haram, but if your starving or being forced to at threat to your life you can eat it in those instances.

Now Shrimp some scholars say it is permissible and others say it is not. So depending on the scholars you follow you can or cant eat it. So thats another level of Haram/Makruh/Halal

Now Halal is anything that is permissible to eat, but Zabiha is the ritual we have to do (Take the name of god before slitting its throat) so it becomes acceptable for us.

Now in the Islamic belief is that food of the Christian and Jews are permissible for us if slaughtered to our interpretation of their 'proper' beliefs (please understand this is just the Islamic opinion). Which is the name of god has to be taken and the animal needs to bleed out before dying i.e throat cut or some such maneuver. Furthermore some scholars state that if a Christian or Jew kills an animal and it fullfills the bleed to death i.e slit throat or similar style it is permitted even if they dont take the name of god when they kill it because they have faith in god inside their hearts. So if a Christian or Jew or Muslim hunter uses the same butcher i need not worry about their meat if it passes those criterion.

Now lets say pork is processed in the facility (which is highly likely), some jurists say that it is only the meat itself which is Haram. Which if you use that opinion you only need to worry about the meat chunks of the animals which are not permitted. But the Christian slaughtered stuff is still fine.

Now the Butcher would have to guarantee to me that he would clean he utensils before starting on my animals to a fair level of cleanliness i.e a regular wash and sanitization and then they would be fine. Any dishwasher works really.

So if I get that guarantee and they say that they will try to keep my meat segregated were possible. Then in this caseyeat becomes 100% fine for me and no sin will come on me until and unless i come into information that says i was lied too and then all i have to do is avoid it in the future and im fine.

Anywho in conclusion quite a many Canadian Hunters are Christian So i assume wild meat has to hang in a separate area to begin with so it would be hanging with a high probability of the other meat being permissible for me to consume so that is not a big deal. I dont think having people clean the tools i.e knives before my animal is a great big deal so i think that is a small problem too imho...

but the meat grinder.... maybe... just maybe ill be buying the kitchen aid grinder attachment because that would be the best bet...

Abdullah

p.s dont quote me i may have messed this up being sick and out of it.

That's a very good explanation of the requirements of Haram/Halal. Question, and not being a smart ass (I know, right) but if you shoot something through the heart it bleeds out (same could be said about the lungs or liver too I suppose but the heart is a no-brainer) is that good enough? I've read in Ruark's books about the muslim members of the camp staff having to ensure that the game meat was Halal and that sometimes they were "too dead" to properly perform the Zabiha ritual (one of the "Mohammedans" as he referred to them would accompany the hunting party to perform this ritual on animals shot for camp meat). This discussion brought my above scenario to mind and I wanted to ask.

 

[frigpig]

Brody over at the Chopping Block is a great guy and a great butcher.

 

['Boo]

but if you shoot something through the heart it bleeds out (same could be said about the lungs or liver too I suppose but the heart is a no-brainer) is that good enough?

Lots of answers here. http://www.al-islam.org/islamic-law...i-al-sistani/slaughtering-and-hunting-animals
Abdullah may want to review it as some of the answers presented conflict with what he said especially the part about Christian and Jew killed animals being halal.

As a matter of precaution, an animal hunted by Ahle Kitab is also not halal, even if he may have uttered the name of Allah.

Hunting with Weapons

Issue 2610: * If a halal wild animal is hunted with a weapon and it dies, it becomes halal and its body becomes Clean (tahir/pak), if the following five conditions are fulfilled:

(i) The weapon used for hunting should be able to cut through, like, a knife or a sword, or should be sharp like a spear or an arrow, so that due to its sharpness, it may tear the body of the animal. If an animal is hunted with a trap, or hit by a piece of wood or a stone, it does not become Clean (tahir/pak), and it is haraam to eat its meat. And if an animal is hunted with a gun and its bullet is so fast that it pierces into the body of the animal and tears it up, the animal will be Clean (tahir/pak) and halal, but if the bullet is not fast enough and enters the body of the animal with pressure and kills, or burns its body with its heat, and the animal dies due to that heat, it is a matter of Ishkal to say that the animal is Clean (tahir/pak) or halal.

(ii) The hunter should be a Muslim or at least a Muslim child who can distinguish between good and bad. If a non-Muslim, other than Ahle Kitab, or from those sects like, Nawasib - enemies of Ahlul Bait (A.S.) who are classified as Kafir, hunts an animal, the animal is not halal. As a matter of precaution, an animal hunted by Ahle Kitab is also not halal, even if he may have uttered the name of Allah.

(iii) The hunter should aim the weapon for hunting the particular animal. Therefore, if a person takes an aim at some target, and kills an animal accidentally, that animal will not be Clean (tahir/pak) and it will be haraam to eat its meat.

(iv) While using the weapon the hunter should recite the name of Allah, and it is sufficient if he utters the name of Allah before the target is hit. But if he does not recite Allah's name intentionally, the animal does not become halal. There is, however, no harm if he fails to do so because of forgetfulness.

(v) The animal will be haraam if the hunter reaches it when it is already dead, or, even if it is alive, he has no time left to slaughter it. And if he has enough time to slaughter it and he does not slaughter it till it dies, it will be haraam.

Issue 2611: * If two persons jointly hunt an animal and if one of them fulfils the requisites while the other does not, like, if one of them utters the name of Allah whereas the other does not do so intentionally, that animal is not halal.

Issue 2612: If an animal is shot with an arrow and, if it falls into water and a person knows that the animal has died because of being shot with an arrow, and falling into water, it will not be halal. In fact, if he is not sure that the animal has died only because of being shot with an arrow, it is not halal.

Issue 2613: If a person hunts an animal employing a usurped dog or a usurped weapon, the hunted animal is halal and becomes his property. However, besides the fact that he has committed a sin he should pay the hiring charges for the weapon or dog to its owner.

Issue 2614: * If a person using weapons like a sword, cuts off some limbs of animal while hunting, those cut off limbs will be haraam. But if that animal is slaughtered according to the conditions of rule no. 2610, the remaining part of its body will be halal. But if the weapon with the aforesaid conditions cuts the animal into two parts, with head and neck on one part, and the hunter reaches the animal when it is dead, both the parts will be halal. And the same rule applies if the animal is alive at that time, but there is not enough time to slaughter it. However, if there is time for slaughtering it, and it is possible that the animal may live for some time, the part which does not contain head and neck is halal if the animal is slaughtered according to the rules prescribed by Shariah, otherwise that part, too, will be haraam.

Issue 2615: If an animal is cut into two parts with a stick or a stone, or another implement with which hunting is not proper, the part which does not contain the head and the neck will be haraam. As for the part which contains the head and neck, if the animal is alive and it is possible that it may live for some time, and it is slaughtered in accordance with the rules prescribed by Shariah, that part is halal, otherwise that part too, will be haraam.

Issue 2616: If an animal is hunted or slaughtered and its young one, which is alive, is taken out of its body, that young one will be halal if it is slaughtered in accordance with Shariah, otherwise it will be haraam.

Issue 2617: * If an animal is hunted or slaughtered, and its dead young one is brought out of its body, it will be Clean (tahir/pak) and halal if it had not died before the mother was killed, or it should not have died because of delay in bringing it out from the mother's womb, and provided it is fully developed, with hair or wool grown on its body.

Hunting with a Retriever (Hunting Dog)

Issue 2618: * If a retriever hunts a wild animal whose meat is halal to eat, the following six conditions should be fulfilled for its being Clean (tahir/pak) and halal:-

(i) The dog should be trained in such a way that when commanded to catch the prey, it goes and when restrained from going, it stops. But if it does not stop after having come closer to the hunted animal and seen it, there is no harm. And it is necessary that it should have a habit of not eating anything of the prey till its master arrives. In fact, if it has the habit of eating bit of the prey before the master arrives, or drinking its blood, there is no objection.

(ii) It should have been directed by its master. If it hunts of its own accord and preys upon an animal, it is haraam to eat the meat of that animal. In fact, if it follows a prey of its own accord, and later its master calls out to encourage it to reach the prey faster, even if it may quicken its pace because of its master's cry, eating the meat of that prey should be avoided, on the basis of obligatory precaution.

(iii) The person who sends the dog for hunt should be a Muslim, with all the conditions already mentioned in the rules concerning hunting with the weapon.

(iv) The hunter should utter the name of Allah at the time of sending the dog. If he purposely does not utter the name of Allah, the prey is haraam. But if he forgets to utter the name of Allah there is no harm in it.

(v) The prey should die as a result of the wound inflicted by the dog's teeth. Therefore, if the dog suffocates the prey to death, or the prey dies because of running or fear, it is not halal.

(vi) The hunter who sends the dog should reach the spot when the animal is dead, or if it is alive, there should not be enough time to slaughter it. But if he reaches there when there is enough time to slaughter it, yet he does not slaughter it, allowing it to die itself, the prey is not halal.

Issue 2619: * When a person who sends the dog reaches the prey when he can slaughter the animal, but the animal dies while he is preparing for the slaughter, like, the delay in taking out the knife, the animal is halal. However, if he does not have anything with which he can slaughter the animal, and it dies, it does not become halal, but if he releases the animal so that the dog may kill it, it will become halal.

Issue 2620: If a person sends several dogs, and they jointly hunt an animal, and if all of them satisfy the conditions mentioned in rule 2618, the prey is halal, but if any one of them does not fulfil those conditions, the prey is haraam.

Issue 2621: If a person sends a dog for hunting an animal and that dog hunts another animal, the prey is halal and Clean (tahir/pak), and if it hunts another animal along with that animal (which it was sent to hunt), both of them are halal and Clean (tahir/pak).

Issue 2622: * If several persons send a dog jointly and one of them does not utter the name of Allah intentionally, that prey is haraam. Also, if one of the dogs sent is not trained in the manner mentioned in rule 2618, the prey is haraam.

Issue 2623: If a hawk or an animal besides the hunting dog hunts an animal, the prey is not halal. However, if a person reaches the prey when it is alive, and slaughters it in the manner prescribed by Shariah, it is halal.