It applies to all reloading components (with the exception of shotgun wads - for some strange reason). You can't export it to Canada with out permits...period.
Buying brass in USA?
- Thread starter JimmieA.
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It applies to all reloading components (with the exception of shotgun wads - for some strange reason). You can't export it to Canada with out permits...period.
The CBSA documentation refers to importing things into Canada. That is all they care about. However, in order to import anything into Canada, you first have to EXPORT it out of some other country.
The US ITAR regulations are what governs the export of firearms, parts, ammunition and components out of the US. You cannot buy stuff in the US and export it out of the US, regardless of the destination, without the proper US export paperwork.
If you had some way to get parts out of say England, then you'd have to worry about England export regulations and then Canadian import regulations. It just sucks for we Canadians that the biggest source of firearm bits happens to be right next door but is also very, very restrictive.
Jimmie, this has been beaten to death on this forum. You have to remember, there are 2 sets of rules to play by; ours and theirs. Our guys for the most part do not care as long as you remain within the limits. The U.S. gov't requires the export permits and all the hoops. CBP is expanding the outbound check program to 60 hours a week. The last long weekend, they were in the cabela's parking lot in East grand forks, minnesota recording canadian plates. I spotted the van and recognized the officer, as I cross the border 5 nights a week. On the way home, they are set up about 1/2 mile before canada customs, checking vehicles for contraband. They specifically ask about firearms or components. They know you were at a sporting goods store, you lie to them, oh, off for a secondary inspection for you! Now, that said, I was at canadian customs one morning clearing a load, and a fella came in, very cocky and arrogant. Pissed off that he was pulled in for having his limit of powder and primers. Gave the officer grief. The shift supervisor came over and said" Can I see your export documents from the U.S. ? He said he didn't have any.... They gave him the choice to surrender the goods, or go back to the U.S. with them and face them. He walked out without the bags. Your choice to try to circumvent the law to save a few bucks, but please don't come on here and complain once you are caught and if lucky, only barred from entry for 5 years.
Snakehunter
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kenora, Ontario
If you want to be a goof to Canada Border Services they will do just that to you. They know the rules about US export permits. My buddy brings back ammo from the US all the time and makes sure to declare them and keep within the limits etc. Never a problem.
Same scenario used to play out for me years ago when I used to import reptiles from the USA. At the time Canada only needed a bill of sale and a guarantee that nothing endangered (CITES) was in the shipment. US Fish and Wildlife Service wants to issue permits for exports, especially for native US animals, yet Canada did not require them. Just had to make sure to never get turned back to the US side. Therefore = do not be an a$$hole to the nice border people!!!
Same scenario used to play out for me years ago when I used to import reptiles from the USA. At the time Canada only needed a bill of sale and a guarantee that nothing endangered (CITES) was in the shipment. US Fish and Wildlife Service wants to issue permits for exports, especially for native US animals, yet Canada did not require them. Just had to make sure to never get turned back to the US side. Therefore = do not be an a$$hole to the nice border people!!!
So you're openly suggesting members here actively violate US laws by illegally exporting ammo themselves? Not a good thing to be toting here on an open forum.
ALL brass is covered by ITAR as are all reloading components.In the end it's not how we read US law,or what Canadian Customs says its how the USBS and Homeland Security interpet their own laws.I've seen exit checks at the border in both BC and Alberta and they are becoming more common.I won't be exporting anything from the US in violation of their laws,it's just not worth it. Mur
Advocating on behalf of someone, and encouraging them to get their laws changed is one thing.
Encouraging them to break the law because you don't agree with it and because you think they won't get caught, is another thing all together.
The first case is probably encouraged here. The second is not allowed on this forum, even if it isn't Canadian law. Unless I've misread the forum rules - I'll have to go check again.
I would like to thank everyone for their responses. Sorry if this has been flogged here lots before. All I can say is that the next time I go State side I will ask the nice man/woman at the USA border what their take is on this, try to get written documentation, like the pamplet I have from Canuckastan. This is the internet after all, best to double check any and all info that you get here, sorry but that is my motto.
In the mean time I guess I will use up the brass that I have which is a lot (all bought used or I have fired), and than go from there, looking for the best price on new brass. I just reloaded 50x .45 ACP and it was from hell, the brass was past it's due date. I'm leaving that brass at the range for a sucker to pick up!
JimmieA.
In the mean time I guess I will use up the brass that I have which is a lot (all bought used or I have fired), and than go from there, looking for the best price on new brass. I just reloaded 50x .45 ACP and it was from hell, the brass was past it's due date. I'm leaving that brass at the range for a sucker to pick up!
JimmieA.
Barnes_270
Regular
- Location
- Langley, BC
Hopefully that's just hyperbole - if not, why would you deliberately leave brass that you know is not safe to reload?
And yes, the "bringing back brass from the USA" thing has been done to death on here, and yet, week by week, another post crops up that follows the exact same, predictable arc. The fact that Canada has no issue with it isn't going to help much when the US folks pull you over...
Avalonthas
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Toronto ON
Pick up your brass (and dispose of it knowing its unsafe) - don't be a doosh to your fellow Canadian / shooter
- Location
- Invermere, BC
I guess the word respect isn't in your vocabulary 
Pathfinder
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Northeast Ontario
Starline - I bought some from a dealer here on CGN (Henry) budgetreloading or something like that.
Quote "I'm leaving that brass at the range for a sucker to pick up!
JimmieA."
I guess a few beers make me stupid!
As for the brass it would become obvious quickly that it cannot be loaded, it is expanded too much and work hardened too much to size right, the projectile falls in, will not seat right. Plus my .45 dents it every firing. Looks like hell.
JimmieA.
JimmieA."
I guess a few beers make me stupid!
As for the brass it would become obvious quickly that it cannot be loaded, it is expanded too much and work hardened too much to size right, the projectile falls in, will not seat right. Plus my .45 dents it every firing. Looks like hell.
JimmieA.
Starline's position likely is also influenced by the fact the former owners of Jamison brass are now being prosecuted for illegal export to Canada and Australia. That is one of the reasons they are now out of business.
There are a few vendors down there that have learned about US export law the hard way, Optics Planet and Cabela's being two of them.
An alien cannot get an export licence from the US Gov't, that is the yearly version, then a shipment specific permit version is required to be acquired by the holder of the licence.
You can read all about it if you read the regs and check some websites like Brownell's and Hurricane Butterfly and Optics Planet. Cabela's indicates what they will not export also, but, they went a bit overboard.
There are a few vendors down there that have learned about US export law the hard way, Optics Planet and Cabela's being two of them.
An alien cannot get an export licence from the US Gov't, that is the yearly version, then a shipment specific permit version is required to be acquired by the holder of the licence.
You can read all about it if you read the regs and check some websites like Brownell's and Hurricane Butterfly and Optics Planet. Cabela's indicates what they will not export also, but, they went a bit overboard.
Just ordered 1000 .44 russian cases fom double tap sports,$195. plus tx and shipping.So around 23/100 delivered to my door. Boarderview in seattle is hoping to be able to export ammo by late summer their only prob is reasonable shipping rates.
