Buying first pistol
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In a Nut Shell as follows:
1. Buyer pays seller
2. Seller calls CFC and initiates the transfer and sends buyer a ref #
3. Buyer calls CFC and accepts transfer per ref #
4. Once AB CFO approves transfer, seller can ship (buyer usually tracks approval progress, and informs the seller when approved)
5. If item not delivered to residence, then buyer needs to obtain a STATT to retrieve item from PO
When requesting a STATT, buyer may be required to provide proof of range membership
6. Once home, buyer's LTATT kicks in.
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1. Buyer pays seller
2. Seller calls CFC and initiates the transfer and sends buyer a ref #
3. Buyer calls CFC and accepts transfer per ref #
4. Once AB CFO approves transfer, seller can ship (buyer usually tracks approval progress, and informs the seller when approved)
5. If item not delivered to residence, then buyer needs to obtain a STATT to retrieve item from PO
When requesting a STATT, buyer may be required to provide proof of range membership
6. Once home, buyer's LTATT kicks in.
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I'm not sure that is entirely accurate. With the new conditions applied to your RPAL, some issues alleviated. Once you go through the CFC to complete the transfer and CFO approves for whatever province buyer is in, the buyer is instantaneously the owner of the firearm. If the buyer is picking the pistol up, then I understand they are free to do so (pick up from purchase point and transfer to home). If the seller is delivering to either the buyer or Canada Post, then they are required to obtain an Authorization to Transport from home to the delivery point as it is no longer a pistol registered in their name. Not sure how a Canada Post pickup would work, but I would think an ATT not required. I have had them delivered to my house, so never had the problem of picking up. If any questions, call CFC to confirm. They are very good to provide direction.
I've always waited for the registration certificate to show up before taking it to the range, however, I've been told that the transfer notification was good enough? Maybe this varies from province to province, CFO to CFO?
winchesterjones
Regular
- Location
- Sharon Ont
If you have club level authorization there is no need to obtain anything to pick it up. From what I understood after speaking with the CFO is the only 2 times you need paper work is if you have sold a fire arm and are shipping is, because it is no longer in your name. And if your leaving the country.
This new bill the "common sense act" only implies if you have club level ATTs
This new bill the "common sense act" only implies if you have club level ATTs
My understanding is that you need to have the registration certificate with you when transporting to the range. Ergo - need to wait for the certificate to arrive. Transfer notification may be good enough - not sure - but certainly would be on the safe side to wait. Actually, I find they come through quite quickly.
Interesting thread - clear that we have responsible R firearms owners that are all trying to do the right thing. I think regs are making it easier to do so.
But firearms regulations are Federal, so there should be no local deviations - even though there are separate Provincial CFOs doing the approvals.
That's my understanding.
In Alberta there are no club level ATTs. We just join a range, email a pic of membership card, call CFO and get it emailed out. I heard that in NB you need an ATT for your friggin bow!
this is correct, i just purchased a pistol today and asked that question, you must wait for the actual registration BEFORE you can take it legally from your residence to range or where ever you`re allowed to based on the conditions attached to your rpal,
Milanczar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
My friend tried to do that in Ontario and was told that they would not accept any club membership information unless and until it was regarding a specific firearms transfer that the CFO requested from them.
So this means it is only initiatiated by the CFO when and if they decide to do so and only after a firearms transfer situation occurs and therefore likely in each and every case unless they decide not to do so for that particular firearm and person.
So no proactivity.
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greywolf67nt
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Stony Plain, AB
You will have to join a range. Do that ASAP call the CFO and get their email address and email them a copy of your membership then it is on file.
Once you purchase a restricted firearm the transport conditions will be added to your licence.
I just purchased a new restricted and called the CFO to ensure transfer was completed. The lady on the phone made it very clear the only piece of paper I would need to pick up my firearm at the post office was the Notice of Transfer and that a STATT was no longer required.
I was told the Notice of Transfer only allows you to take it home because you must have the actual registration card for the firearm to transport it anywhere else. You have to wait for the registration card to arrive before you can take it to the range. You can transport any restricted firearm you own when you have the registration for it and the transport conditions attached to your firearms license. I was told this last Friday by the CFC when my latest restricted was transferred to me.
you sir, are correct, the transfer notification along with the conditions on your license only enable you to take your new restricted home, and you must wait for the registration certificate to show up and be in possession of it at all time when transporting that particular firearm
Prior to C42, there were quite a few discussion here about the requirement to carry the registration, with considerable disagreement.
With the prior ATT system, some provinces had it as a specific condition on the ATT that you had to have the registration.
That left no room for doubt. You required it, if your ATT said so.
Some provinces did not have that condition.
As far as I am aware, the post C42 country wide wording doesn't have it as a requirement.
Then, now as before, we are left with the Criminal Code (because the firearm's act says nothing on the subject).
I won't give a long quote, but sections 95 & 117 are relevant. [Read them yourselves. This isn't legal advice]
In a nutshell, section 95 says you need to be able to produce it on demand and be the "holder of".
Section 117 says if you can't produce it, they can seize the firearms and you have 14 days to produce it.
After 14 days, it goes to court.
So IF the LEO accepts the other documentation you have (transfer, etc.), then you would be OK.
There was also debate about the wording "holder" of a registration certificate, and whether that requires physical paper, or that it was registered and on file.
So, waiting for it is the route of least hassle.
Not having it isn't an automatic go to jail though, especially if it is expected in the mail within 14 days.
