Buying hand-guard in the states?

anyone know the legalities of bringing a rubber ergo ar pistol grip over the border? its a $10 piece of plastic but id like to see if anyone knows here first.
 
it is, it could however also be an airsoft grip, paintball grip. Also it is well under $100 and not a neccessary part for the rifles function. it was bought used so not in original packaging. Real and airsoft are both the exact same piece of plastic. What makes one more evil then the other?
 
Could should would or price does'nt matter. Is it an ITAR controlled item? Yes? You can't take it out of the US without the proper paperwork. I'm not sure a grip is ITAR controlled but call the BATF they will know :)
 
OldFrankHog said:
Could should would or price does'nt matter. Is it an ITAR controlled item? Yes? You can't take it out of the US without the proper paperwork. I'm not sure a grip is ITAR controlled but call the BATF they will know :)
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Don't call the BATF. Contact the US Dept of State. Google firearms export control. They respond to e-mail queries but they cannot or will not provide one list of what is considered a controlled part and what is an uncontrolled accessory.
 
Cavs42 said:
Not helpful, that.

I've ordered a number of "Gun Parts" through Brownell's, and there was no issue. If you don't know the answer, don't be an ass and try to make the guy feel stupid about asking a valid question.
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You had no issues because Brownells is fully licensed to export gun parts from manufacturers that are also licensed for export. All the paperwork is in place already. If a part is over the $100 they'll still export it, it just requires more paperwork. The OP tried to get around the $100 limit by smuggling it across the border himself and was caught before he could do it. Had he simply talked to Brownells he would have found out they'd still ship him the part if he got an import permit for it.

Just because Brownell's can ship with no issue doesn't mean you can drive across the border and bring it back yourself, you're not a registered exporter.

For clarification on whether something is ITAR controlled consult the State Dept.
 
Fusilier said:
If it is a gun part, IT IS RESTRICTED to be shipped up here. The fact that they have their paperwork in order is why they can ship the parts to Canada.
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Actually Samson specifically has written ruling on their handguards and BUIS sights that they are not ITAR controlled. This is direct from US Dept of Commerce and State Dept. I have a copy of the letters.

- Dave.
 
Leg said:
You had no issues because Brownells is fully licensed to export gun parts from manufacturers that are also licensed for export. All the paperwork is in place already. If a part is over the $100 they'll still export it, it just requires more paperwork. The OP tried to get around the $100 limit by smuggling it across the border himself and was caught before he could do it. Had he simply talked to Brownells he would have found out they'd still ship him the part if he got an import permit for it.

Just because Brownell's can ship with no issue doesn't mean you can drive across the border and bring it back yourself, you're not a registered exporter.

For clarification on whether something is ITAR controlled consult the State Dept.
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I wasn't trying to smuggle it across the border to get around the $100 limit, the handguard i wanted happened to be $30 over. I Always get online shopping orders shipped to the stated because shipping is a lot cheaper, just wasn't aware of the border restrictions. Instead of waiting 40-60 days after they notified me and sent the permits i simply told them no thanks and canceled my order. You learn from your mistakes. Now i know more then i did before about us/canada gun parts exports.
 
Leg said:
You had no issues because Brownells is fully licensed to export gun parts from manufacturers that are also licensed for export. All the paperwork is in place already. If a part is over the $100 they'll still export it, it just requires more paperwork. The OP tried to get around the $100 limit by smuggling it across the border himself and was caught before he could do it. Had he simply talked to Brownells he would have found out they'd still ship him the part if he got an import permit for it.

Just because Brownell's can ship with no issue doesn't mean you can drive across the border and bring it back yourself, you're not a registered exporter.

For clarification on whether something is ITAR controlled consult the State Dept.
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Exactly, it seems most people assume the legality of the whole issue is about the purchase of the items when in fact the entire reasoning for this law is to prevent exporting certain items out of the Good Ole US and A.

Everyone is always saying its just a $3.00 piece of plastic or 10 cent piece of metal and so on. There is a bigger picture in that the US government has these laws to combat the illegal trafficking of all things firearms, and unfortunately it affects us all.
 
rm11xx said:
I wasn't trying to smuggle it across the border to get around the $100 limit, the handguard i wanted happened to be $30 over. I Always get online shopping orders shipped to the stated because shipping is a lot cheaper, just wasn't aware of the border restrictions. Instead of waiting 40-60 days after they notified me and sent the permits i simply told them no thanks and canceled my order. You learn from your mistakes. Now i know more then i did before about us/canada gun parts exports.
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Perhaps you had good intentions and were simply trying to save some shipping costs. Shipping can be as cheap as $5.75 so I really don't see you saving too much by driving across the border. You clearly knew about the $100 limit, yet tried to buy it anyway. Whether your intent was to save a buck or two wouldn't matter to US customs. You'd still be breaking US law by smuggling the part across the border. Don't like the use of the word "smuggle"? That's what you were attempting to do, whether that's what your intent was or not is irrelevant.
 
I'm pretty sure anything bought with a Canadian credit card and sent to a U.S. address is considered an export and is shipped with cutoms information.
 
Get a US credit card+PO box. Or pay 30-ish$ for a one time Re-mailer company.

Remember its the group doing the export that's breaking US law.
You driving over = bad for you(IF caught)
Someone who does not care mailing the item to you = bad for them(IF caught)
 
ehnd said:
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
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Get caught by the exit customs and you go directly to jail. Car impounded. Not worth the risk.
 
Mark978 said:
Get a US credit card+PO box. Or pay 30-ish$ for a one time Re-mailer company.

Remember its the group doing the export that's breaking US law.
You driving over = bad for you(IF caught)
Someone who does not care mailing the item to you = bad for them(IF caught)
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Doesn't matter if it's US or Canada. I have a US CC registered to a US home I own in Florida.

Brownell's still know I am a Canadian. Bought some firing pins. Received paper work informing me I couldn't remove them from the US either in their package OR in a firearm.
 
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