Cadex Competition Chassis for a Savage 10 TR LEO vs. Cadex CDX rifle

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I just took the Level 1 course through RFMA (Rob Furlong) and would have bought a Cadex on the spot if it was possible (impulse buying). I am interested in PRS and want to go that direction with my current shooting. My issue, do I buy the new Competition Chassis for the Savage 10 TR LEO or wait a few years until I can afford a complete CDX rifle? I feel like I am putting a Ford engine in a Porsche. Will I get any decent improvement with the chassis or is it better to save up for a full CDX rifle?

How much real world accuracy does the Cadex chassis provide with a Savage 10 TR LEO? I am shooting 1/2 MOA right now (RMFA gets most of the credit).

I have already started going the Cadex route, my rifle shot poorly on my course (dinner plate size groups) until we removed the cheap compensator and added a Cadex MX1 muzzle brake.
 
I was exactly in your situation, I had a Savage 10 and wanted to put it in a stock but instead I just saved my cash for a complete rifle. and Im glad I did.
 
Ive tuned some savages around chassis systems with excellent results too, just to muddy the water for you.
For me, the ergonomics of a chassis improve my shooting by quantifiable amounts.
Tunning your rifle and reloads for its specifics can also really close the gap.
The other side of the coin, is the chassis with your current rifle leaves a lot of $$ to spend on arguably the most important part... trigger time.
 
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Ive tuned some savages around chassis systems with excellent results too, just to muddy the water for you.
For me, the ergonomics of a chassis improve my shooting by quantifiable amounts.
Tunning your rifle and reloads for its specifics can also really close the gap.
The other side of the coin, is the chassis with your current rifle leaves a lot of $$ to spend on arguably the most important part... trigger time.
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Glass?
 
A savage will always be a savage no matter what clothes it wears (same as if it was a Remington or whatever).

Will it make you a better shooter? Probably not, but it will probably make you happy. There are a couple on the EE if I remember correctly.

You only live once!
 
I have looked at doing both. I had a savage in 338 lm that shot very well, I'm talking really well. I was gonna buy the chassis but heard and read way too many times that when it comes down to it, you only wanna cry once. I bought the Cadex. I had to sell 4 rifles and a shotgun... and several scopes... and use my tip money from guiding, to raise the funds but I can tell you... I don't regret it. The Cadex system is awesome! It shoots like a dream. First hand load I tried in my rifle shot a 5 shot group at .4"... and that was at 200m!!! I haven't shot groups at that range since (sorry to guys who only do ten shot groups to prove accuracy) cause its expensive to feed, but it is oh so satisfying to hear that WHACK DINNNNGGGG coming back from long range! Work hard and sacrifice to get it and it will always feel good to pull the trigger!
 
I'm also generally of the "buy once, cry once" mindset, but with something as individual as a PRS rifle, you might be better served by buying a used starter rifle and trying your first match to see what works and what doesn't for you in particular. All that trigger time you would lose out on while saving up is something you cannot make up.

I have a Savage. They cut corners intelligently, so they are accurate, but rough in ways that may irritate you. I have since started on a build off a Tikka action because it's the best value for me. Note that I am still sticking with .308 Win because I don't yet want to invest in new dies, brass, bullets, primers and powder for a hotshot cartridge like 6x47L. I'm taking it in steps so that I can try to avoid too many costly mistakes. Do you know what cartridge you want to use? How is your reloading? What glass are you going to buy?

If you really want to wait out on the Cadex I would strongly suggest you get a .22LR trainer in the interim so that you can at least learn positional shooting and practice. I did not do enough practice before the Meaford match and was very disappointed with my performance. The .22LR trainer is also way cheaper to shoot and will allow you to get better at reading wind on a shorter range.

I've done a lot of back and forth on the same issues as you over the last year. Feel free to PM if you want to discuss.

And remember, opinions are like a--holes - we all have them.
 
The condomed one makes a very good point. However there's a lot of new scopes on the market at the 1000$ range that will make most people very happy.
I made the costly cartridge journey jadam is refering to... in the end I settled into a 6BR. Not before swapping countless barrels, brass, dies, and powders. Poorer by attrition, but I sure learned a alot... especially the how to not make those same mistakes again.
 
I would get a chassis for your savage. If you find down the road you still desire a cdx rifle, you can always sell the savage without losing too much money.
 
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Not true I had to part out my Savage build at a big loss.
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I sold my remington 700 in a cadex for 400$ less than I paid after putting 3k rounds down the pipe (included magazines and bipod). If you buy a cadex chassis second hand you'll have plenty of room left when you go to upgrade.
 
I like the task specific rifles, and the expensive scopes especially when the agency pays for them.

On the other hand I have enjoyed the savings and tuning on the Savage 10FCPK and Rem 700s on my personal guns/loads.

IMHO, regardless of one hole accuracy, high dollar equipment, it's ALWAYS comes down to the one who can read the wind the best given all else is equal if you're shooting long range, especially as the wind picks up.

And money can't buy that.
 
I'll give you a little background and my opinion on this.
I apologize in advance if it is long and rambling.

I have never shot PRS but I have shot at quite a few precision rifle clinics put on by Barney AKA Tactical Teacher.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php/335-Tactical-Teacher

If you can get out to one or some of his clinics next year it will be the best $50 you have ever spent on training.
Saturday is used for teaching proper technique, equipment, dope etc.
Sunday we shoot the match.
The match is the 200M, 300M, 500M, and 600M stages of the ORA Precision rifle match.
http://www.ontariorifleassociation.ca/node/80

A figure 11 target shown below has a V-Bull which measures 4" wide X 8" high and a 5 "ring" which measures 8" wide X 16" high.
A rifle which shoots 3/4 MOA will keep you in the V-Bull all day long if you read the wind right and you do your part.


I have shot higher scores than many people with much more expensive rifles and I have been outshot by someone using a $100 K98 Mauser in 6.5x55.
I shot a 184/200 at the last clinic. At 500 M I shot a 50.6V and at 600M 49.6V.

I shoot a Savage 10BA which now has 4800 rounds down the barrel.
When the rifle was new it would shoot 0.5 MOA 5 shot groups on average.
It now shoots around 1.0 MOA groups and will be rebarreled over the winter.
This a $2,000 rifle already in a chassis.

I also have a 10TR which I am just now beginning to develop a load for but it looks very promising.
As you know this is a $600 rifle out of the box.
In my opinion putting a $2,175 chassis on such a rifle would probably be overkill.
I will be putting mine in an MDT LSS-XL chassis which is $499 +$299 for the Buttstock.
Add a muzzle brake,a bipod, and a couple of AICS mags and you are right around $2,000.

A Cadex CDX-30 has a list price of $5342.95. Adding a folding stock and a muzzle brake puts you over $7,200.

That is $5,000 more than an "all dressed Savage model 10.
I do not believe that as a novice or intermediate shooter you will get enough "value" out of the additional expense.
That money can be better spent on ammunition and more practice.
Don't get me wrong if you can afford to spend the money over and above your ammunition, practice, training, and travel budget go ahead but don't think that a high end rifle will be a substitute for practice and training.
 
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DILLIGAF said:
Yup and worth every penny IMHO :) Never did I ever say to myself " I wish I would've kept my savage 10."

I dont shot groups, to me it's hella booring. I rather hear the bullet smack steel.
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I didn't say it wasn't worth it.
I said that the rifle would not be the difference in the equation for a novice or intermediate shooter.

I have a few rifles that cost quite a bit of money and every one of them is worth it in my opinion.
 
A little more info. I saved money on the rifle and invested in the following:

1. Bushnell XRS 4.5-30 with a H59 reticle
2. Spuhr 20 MOA mount
3. Atlas bipod
4. Bushnell LMSS tactical spotting scope with a H32 reticle to match up with the H59
5. Lots of ammo. (1000 rounds of match).

It's almost a 5g gun that started at $700. I bought the best I could for items that could be moved from gun to gun. The only thing I regret is not buying a 0 MOA Spuhr and getting a 20 MOA rail. If I buy the CDX I would need a different mount. 40 MOA is a little too much. On the Cadex Competition it will work great.

I hate the ergonomics of a std stock. I do not need anything but the chassis. So I should be under $1500. I also want to be able to side mount a Radius laser. I like toys...
 
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