can .22 shorts in a .22lr really cause throat erosion?

[mikeystew]

It seems unlikely to me with the reduced pressure and heat of the .22 cartridges. i think i'd be more concerned about the free jump to the lands affecting accuracy, and the fouling buildup making it hard to chamber the .22lr's.
But im curious to know if anyone knows or has heard of the throat actually eroding due to use of shorts.

 

[sksnutz]

22 throat erosion

I have a savage 3c that is, in my opinion, not shootable because of the damage from exclusive use of shouts in a long chamber

 

[mikeystew]

how many rounds apx is that then?

 

[tigger]

I have a win 67 that has been fed whatever was cheapest at the hardware for eons and everything is fine with it except for a pit an inch in front of the chamber caused by neglect in the 60's (according to my father anyhow)

 

[chopper 1]

Not so much throat erosion -

No throat erosion -

Just the normal accuracy robbing ring of lead that forms in every .22 rimfire at the junction of the chamber and lands.

The Ohio bench rest ass'c. documented the phenomenon bout 25 years ago using rail guns.

A local enterprising genius developed a brass chamber cutter that cut the lead ring out which forms as frequently as a few shots in some guns.{He couldnt keep production up to meet demands}

A .22 short just causes the ring to form closer to the face of the chamber ruining accuracy even more.

Scrape it out and your good to go -{unless its been there for years and rust and pitting is underneath the ring} -

 

[formerfarmer]

I have an old Marlin bolt action repeater that is stamped 22 S L LR. I am guessing that Marlin figures on this one you can't go wrong. Unless you are going to shoot thousands of shorts without cleaning the gun I really doubt it is going to "erode" the throat or any other part.

 

[billdick]

I have a winchester that says short long and extra long. I don't know when extra longs went off of the market but it was probably in the 30's and this gun has fired thousands and thousands and thousands of non extra longs. It doesn't have throat erosion from firing the shorter stuff.

 

[buffdog]

Shorts

With modern smokeless .22 Short loads, there should be no problem unless you are going to fire off about 20,000 rounds or so, then you MIGHT have some erosion. Clean regularly, and you should not have any problems.

The older .22 rifles, especially the more inexpensive ones, used plain carbon steel for barrels. Newer rifles generally have much better steel in the barrels.

One of the problems was the old ammunition. Some of it had corrosive mercuric priming compounds, and some was even black powder loadings. If not cleaned promply and thoroughly, pitting, rust, and all kinds of things happened inside the barrel.

With the cost of .22 Short ammunition now at about twice the cost of Long Rifle ammo, there is a limited use for Shorts today. Using sub-sonic ammunition gives about the same sound signature as a Short, but there are a few uses a .22 Short is useful for.
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[mikeystew]

interesting... im only asking because im picking up a henry lever action on a trade and was thinking about using it with CB shorts to shoot vols on the sixth fairway at work. i doubt the cb shorts would be a problem. ideally i'd like to find some cb long but those are a rarity in these parts.

 

[H4831]

With modern smokeless .22 Short loads, there should be no problem unless you are going to fire off about 20,000 rounds or so, then you MIGHT have some erosion. Clean regularly, and you should not have any problems.

The older .22 rifles, especially the more inexpensive ones, used plain carbon steel for barrels. Newer rifles generally have much better steel in the barrels.

One of the problems was the old ammunition. Some of it had corrosive mercuric priming compounds, and some was even black powder loadings. If not cleaned promply and thoroughly, pitting, rust, and all kinds of things happened inside the barrel.

With the cost of .22 Short ammunition now at about twice the cost of Long Rifle ammo, there is a limited use for Shorts today. Using sub-sonic ammunition gives about the same sound signature as a Short, but there are a few uses a .22 Short is useful for.
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The mercuric priming was gone in the mid 1930s, not sure exactly. The rifles that were used with these were commonly "ringed." A ring, right through the lands, at least, formed a couple of inches ahead of the chamber. Don't know why it did this, but when I was a boy, anyone buying a used 22 would ask if it was ringed, then check it. Throughut the depression years probably about 95% of 22 ammunition was shorts. With modern priming I never heard of the shorts damaging a chamber, or barrel.